Pot Smoking

[monicat]

Hi my name is Monica and I occasionally smoke pot. But, only if I've had a few drinks. What is the general consensus on pot smoking around here?? Should it be legal...Not legal? Are piss tests constitutional??
LOL Had to ask!!!
-Monicat :p :green: :cool:

[pisces2473]

I have never done it...although part of me wishes I had tried it "back in the day." Because my life is headed in a certain direction, it wouldn't be possible for me to experiment now.

I don't like it around me. If people want to do it at their own homes, fine. I just get nervous when I'm somewhere and someone wants to light up...the whole "guilty by association" thing. If it was made legal, then I wouldn't care.

[monicat]

Yeah..If it were legal I wouldn't care either. I just think it's pretty hard to believe that I could be considered a criminal!!! LOL That's just silly.
-Monicat

[WeirdBrake]

I agree with Jen. I've never smoked pot and don't have any desire to try it, but I absolutely think it should be legal. The criminalization of a substance is idiotic, in my opinion.

[phuong]

I smoked pot in high school and left it there. Some people I hang out with still do it on a regular basis, but, as I mentioned in another thread, not in my house, thank you. I don't give it much thought (since for me, pot is somewhere in between vodka shooters, halter tops and getting grounded).

[shimmer728]

I see nothing wrong with it. To be perfectly honest, I wish I had the opportunity to smoke it more sometimes.

[temptation]

In highschoool, my friends use to deal and as you can imagine I'm fairly seasoned. I've also done harder drugs in my past. I personally don't smoke anymore because I find that it numbs my thought process and hinders my ability to reach my goals. However, I will say that marijuana is a far less volatile drug than alcohol. Someone who smokes chronically will simply be unproductive. An alcoholic on the otherhand, is often a terror to society and to themselves. In addition, tobacco is equally as distructive as marijuana.

So what am I saying?

Although I would in no way encourage the use of marijuana, I would say that if we are going to put marijuana under the spotlight, we must do so with equally harmful drugs. And the reason why this is not happening is largely due to the potential loss of market share that companies such as Phillip Morris and other major tobacco providers would have to face. Keep in mind that these tobacco companies often donate millions or dollars to your favorite politicians.

While no drug is good for your health, I find it odd that some people would look down heavily on marijuana yet pound the alcohol like it's nobody's business. And as a side note, I would like to add that a friend of mine who was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer smoked regularly to ease his stress and pain during chemotherapy and I totally support his choice. So did his parents and medical staff at the hospital.

[WeirdBrake]

Although I would in no way encourage the use of marijuana, I would say that if we are going to put marijuana under the spotlight, we must do so with equally harmful drugs. And the reason why this is not happening is largely due to the potential loss of market share that companies such as Phillip Morris and other major tobacco providers would have to face. Keep in mind that these tobacco companies often donate millions or dollars to your favorite politicians.

Excellent point. And let's not forget the influence of the billion dollar pharmaceutical industry. As Bill Maher said, "Prozac doesn't wanna go up against marijuana. It'll lose!" :lol:

[meatwad]

EVERYONE I know who smoked or smokes pot on a regular basis turned out to be a complete loser with fucked up priorities and they're lives basically fell apart in some way. Maybe it was the pot that made them losers, maybe they smoked because they were losers. Either way, I don't want anything to do with it.

[spokes]

this is something that is in my past and i am no longer inteested in doing it.

as for urine tests - if your job entails something like flying a plane, or soem other type of heavy equipment then i can see a need for testing. i am not sure where you would draw the line but for jobs that involve sitting around crunching numbers, then I am not sure there is as much of a need for testing.

[J-girl]

All I know is people whose lives revolve around smoking pot have some serious issues. Once in a while is fine. But from first hand experience I can say that pot KILLS ambition and yes so does every other drug.

And like Jen, I hate being around people who smoke pot. It makes me feel awkward and uncomfortable. That said I really dont feel the desire to try it.

[wordsmith]

Been around it since high school, all through college (what up, theatre department?), not so much in my post-college life. While I have a hard time seeing why it should be any more illegal than half of what's prescribed or booze, I've never smoked and it's pretty much a given that I never will.

I'm not upset or offended by being around it, but, honestly, most of the time, I'm annoyed. Because everybody I know who's been into smoking more often than the very occasional toke has turned into a completely boring, directionless person who is ONLY interested in the next opportunity to smoke. I've had acquaintances that base their social lives around whether or not they'll be able to smoke somewhere, and if not, they're not interested. That kind of fixation pains my ass.

I'm sure I'll get all the recreational pot smokers telling me that's not how it is for them, and I'm sure that's true, but it's sure my experience, and it gets on my nerves.

[temptation]

EVERYONE I know who smoked or smokes pot on a regular basis turned out to be a complete loser with fucked up priorities and they're lives basically fell apart in some way. Maybe it was the pot that made them losers, maybe they smoked because they were losers. Either way, I don't want anything to do with it.


I guess I'm a loser too:

-Ivy League graduate
-NCAA divsion 1 athlete
-Analyst at a Federal Department
-Slated to attend a top business school
-Well trained in muay thai, jiu jitsu
-I could go on......

And my credentials are not half as impressive as some of my friends who have also smoked thier fair share.

My point:

Don't believe the hype. Not everyone who has smoked pot is a complete failure.

[midtwenty]

Absolutely my personal drug of choice. Love the stuff. BUT, let me state outright that it's been my personal observation that people who get started smoking pot early on tend to turn out to be utter and complete losers, much like meatwad was saying. Not 100% iof the time, but I've noticed the likelihood goes up. (words, I'm with you....people who live for their next smoke are boring and stupid and I don't like them either.) I never touched the stuff until I was 22 years old, even though a ton of my high school and college friends did it. Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but I sort of feel that by the time I was 22 I had my shit together enough that trying (and liking) weed wasn't going to fuck me up and screw my life around. But to me, pot is just like alcohol or scrip drugs or anything else taken for escapism or recreation. You can't live your life in that kind of perpetual drug-enduced haze and expect to be any kind of success, regardless of what type of drug you're using. You also have to be strong enough and smart enough to realize there are times when life and smoking a little weed just doesn't mix. The moment I had a glimmer of a suspicion that I was pregnant, I quit and have not even been tempted to touch the stuff since. I've quit on many occasions when life circumstances called for it. I once quit for almost a year when I had a job that conducted random screenings. No biggie. Whoop-dee-doo. So I had to quit smoking, so what? I had a great job and was making good money. It just wasn't that big of a deal. It never has been. Having a toke of an evening or on the weekends is simply something I enjoy, but it's NEVER been something that I've felt compelled to do or my life has been ruled by. IMO, the sort of people who become "addicted" to weed and let it rule and ruin their lives would most likely become addicted to something, somewhere, anyway. It just happens to be weed with some people. Booze with others. Maybe Xanax or shrooms or Oxycontin with others. Maybe sex or food with yet other people. I just think it's pointless to villify weed as this horrible substance that will fuck up your life no matter who you are or what you do, when I have proof in my own life and in my close friends that it simply isn't the case. And at the same time I watched booze destroy my dad's life and food is currently destroying my sister.

I won't even bother to get into the whole "our gov't is completely taking away our right to personal choice and responsibility" argument. ;)

But you know, I realize that my days of smoking more than once in a blue moon are over for a good long while. I have a son to think of. And I'm SO ok with that. Some day he will be grown and out of the house, and when that day comes and we are empty nesters, we can be free to enjoy a little toke on our back porch again and listen to the crickets in the evening. Until then, no big deal. I know how to "get high on life" as cliched and stupid as that sounds.

[temptation]

I just think it's pointless to villify weed as this horrible substance that will fuck up your life no matter who you are or what you do, when I have proof in my own life and in my close friends that it simply isn't the case. And at the same time I watched booze destroy my dad's life and food is currently destroying my sister.



Nicely put.

[heatherf]

I'm torn on the legalization issue, mainly because I don't know how potency or doses would be dealt with.

As for our life stories portion....I started the second that I no longer had sports to play in high school. It was just a weekend party thing- really. But it made me paranoid. And I pretty much quit once I finished high school. The few times that I did it AFTER high school, I just felt like a complete ass wipe...the stupidest person on the planet. I probably had my last toke when I was 22 or 23. I don't miss it at all.

[Brillo25]

Tried it when I was younger, but absolutely hated it and the process of smoking it. Plus the people who were offering it to me were the complete cartoon-like stereotype of slacker inbred "career" stoners, so thanks to them if I were to smoke pot now the memories of that brief time where I had a friend who exposed me to that crowd would flash back. I don't apply that generalization to other people who smoke pot though. I don't look down on it any more or less than drinking, and think it's ridiculous that it's illegal.

[heatherf]

The weirdest part is that I kinda had two different groups of stoner friends that I knew. The High School Loser Stoner Group and the A+ College Student Stoner Group. High School group type are still trying to find a direction in life- like the direction to burning man. The A+ college student group....yeah....they seriously all have Masters and PhDs now from Berkeley.

It's ok though, I won't be telling my own children about the A+ college student group. ;)

[LakeJay]

Did it mainly in college. Personally I liked it because it took less time and was cleaner (does that make sense?) "to get where I needed to be" than drinking. Done several times after college...in fact the last time was June in Boston Commons. That was an experience and before then I hadn't done it for a few years. Recreationally I don't think its a terrible thing to do. Sure there are people who mess up their lives using it but I think they would do the same with any other substance. I wouldn't specifically link it to marijuana.
Like many have said with everything else that is legal, I can't understand how this cannot be legalized. I think heatherf makes a good point. I guess the regulation of it would need to be figured out. How is it handled in British Columbia or other countries or is there no regulation even involved?

[temptation]

Did it mainly in college. Personally I liked it because it took less time and was cleaner (does that make sense?) "to get where I needed to be" than drinking. Done several times after college...in fact the last time was June in Boston Commons. That was an experience and before then I hadn't done it for a few years. Recreationally I don't think its a terrible thing to do. Sure there are people who mess up their lives using it but I think they would do the same with any other substance. I wouldn't specifically link it to marijuana.
Like many have said with everything else that is legal, I can't understand how this cannot be legalized. I think heatherf makes a good point. I guess the regulation of it would need to be figured out. How is it handled in British Columbia or other countries or is there no regulation even involved?


It is not legal in British Columbia. The cops just turn a blind eye to it. I'm pretty sure they still shutdown grow-ops though. I'm not sure how it works in Holland.

[preludemd]

drugs are bad....mmmmkay.

[Cole]

I tried it in college, and had one semester of just being a complete stoner. (This is when I was dating a guy who was growing at the time) It was fun to try a different lifestyle, and it made me feel pretty silly about how staunchly anti-drugs I have always been.

I'm glad I didn't do it until I was 22, and I'm glad I only do it on the rarest of occasions. I've never bought any for myself, and don't really intend to.

I think it should be legalized, and subject to the same kinds of laws as alcohol. I also think that, like alcohol, it CAN ruin your life if not used responsibly. Although the stoner ex-boyfriend is now in the running for a job at google, so I think it has a lot more to do with your personality type than the drug itself.

I am totally against tests except in jobs where you are working with kids, driving, or heavy machinery.

[wordsmith]

IMO, the sort of people who become "addicted" to weed and let it rule and ruin their lives would most likely become addicted to something, somewhere, anyway. It just happens to be weed with some people. Booze with others. Maybe Xanax or shrooms or Oxycontin with others. Maybe sex or food with yet other people.

I agree with this sentiment.

[SmilesSoSweet]

Never smoked it, never will. I've never smoked cigarettes either, or done any other type of illegal drug and I never will. I've been exposed to all types of drugs in college, but I just never got into it. I did drink before I was 21, but even then I barely drank compared to other college kids living in the dorms with me. And now I rarely drink - only on occasions - like the bachelorette party, bro's wedding, etc.

[midtwenty]

Here's some irony for you: I love weed, but have never touched a cigarette in my life and never will. Not for all the money in Vegas. Odd, no? ;)

[natbumpo]

anyone who blames the failures of their life to pot is full of shit period, just like people who make the generalization about ALL people they know who smoked pot turned out like this or that. The reality is that there are responsible drug users and irresponsible ones...period.

I smoke a TON of weed in college and I'm doing pretty well. As a matter of fact, some of the people I know who are doing the best were mad pot heads. One of my best friends is still a pot head and he is doing so badly that he is going to Wharton next year. WHAT A LOSER HUH?!

[natbumpo]

And to add some fuel to the fire. If you've NEVER smoked pot, than your opinion on the topic is meaningless. It's like me talking about being pregnant or if I am for or against enemas.

[midtwenty]

Best weed I ever smoked in my LIFE was with a couple of dudes enjoying full scholarships and 4.0 GPAs at Rice University; they had a hookup for some Vermont hydro. OMG I never saw greener, stickier weed in my life. It was beautiful. They were cool dudes. Probably high-class lawyers by now.

[Mad Dawg]

I don't smoke pot because I don't like smoking anything. Smoking is bad, mmmkay?! Makes your lungs look like monkey poo.

Now if you all want to talk about cooking with pot, I've got a great brownie recipe for you guys! :cool:

As far as whether or not it should be legal, I personally think it should be. Unfortunately it is not, so I will issue the same warning I issue for all illegal substances... It is illegal! If you are arrested for possession, do not start bitching about how it should be legal. You have to take responsibility for your own actions, and that means playing within the confines of the rules no matter how much they suck.

[wordsmith]

And to add some fuel to the fire. If you've NEVER smoked pot, than your opinion on the topic is meaningless.

So people can only hold opinions on things they've done, not things they've chosen not to do for specific reasons? Wow, is that ever bullshit. I guess nobody can have an opinion about suicide either, never having committed it. But, hey, whatever.

[heatherf]

Now if you all want to talk about cooking with pot, I've got a great brownie recipe for you guys! :cool:

Um yeah, good times- my in laws told me that they used to make their marajuana laced brownies...when my husband was a child.

[k.monster]

I used to be a serious pothead - smoked it all the time, everyday. I was more of the outdoorsy-girl type of stoner. Week long hiking trip? Awesome, better make sure we've got enough weed to make it through!! I would get stoned before class, work, anything and everything.
Now? Now I maybe smoke pot about once every three or four months. I don't miss it at all.
The reason I started smoking so much pot was because I was having all these stomach issues and wasn't able to keep food down (or pretty much anything) and for a while it was the only way I could actually eat anything and by the time everything was was figured out and fixed it just became a habit.
I totally think it should be legal - although in Oregon it's only a misdemeanor if you have less than an ounce on you, so basically you can't grow it.

[Mad Dawg]

And to add some fuel to the fire. If you've NEVER smoked pot, than your opinion on the topic is meaningless. It's like me talking about being pregnant or if I am for or against enemas.Actually, everyone is entitled to an opinion on whether or not pot should be legal. I don't know why you would even bother to indicate otherwise.

[k.monster]

I've never had a penis but I still have lots of opinions about them ;)

[WeirdBrake]

OK, here's a slight threadjack, but...

I see a lot of talk about people who have done drugs while at the same time being very smart and high-achieving academically. So let me throw this question out there: Is it possible some people (emphasis on the word SOME) do drugs BECAUSE they're smart and high-achieving? Is it possible that some of the same neurological wiring responsible for high-level cognitive performance is also prone to other feelings that make recreational drug use attractive? To put it more simply, maybe the brains of very smart, motivated people are looking for a way to chill out.

[LakeJay]

How timely is it for this thread to appear when the great Willie Nelson was the Howard Stern Show this morning? Hearing him sing "You were always on my mind" with Jeff the Drunk almost brought a tear to my eye. Talk about a marijuana user who has done well for himself. I still can't believe the guy is freakin over 70 ears old! I think I'm going to go out and get Half-Baked later this week.

[J-girl]

And to add some fuel to the fire. If you've NEVER smoked pot, than your opinion on the topic is meaningless. It's like me talking about being pregnant or if I am for or against enemas.
My ex bf smoked pot EVERYDAY and our relationship declined considerably! He was a go getter before and now he was a complete idiot with no zest for life. I am going to blame it on pot I am sorry. He was whiny complained about everything. HE always had the bored look on his face. He had a HIGH profile job at a major Canadian bank, a degree from one of the best unviersities, ice hockey player and now he has no job and is living with his current gf in her parent's basement.

So what I am saying is people who smoke arent losers- I just choose not to hang out with them. Stay out of my way and we are fine and I am not going to judge anyone. It's helping you get into Harvard? Great. But I feel awkward and out of place when I am around people who consistently abuse drugs.

[LakeJay]

That's actually really interesting. My best semester at school was my first semester of college, and I smoked more pot that semester than I did at any other time. I got a 3.7 that semester.

Oddly enough my best semester was 1st semester sophomore year and I happened to toke up more than ever that semester. I could bring in other factors that might have contributed as well but let's stick with this one.

[wordsmith]

To put it more simply, maybe the brains of very smart, motivated people are looking for a way to chill out.

But then their brains would be different in some way than the brains of the very smart, motivated people who never touch the stuff or have any desire to, then?

[k.monster]

I think that's a very correct assumption WB. I know a lot of really smart people that smoke it. A quick websearch turned up these famous smarties: Norman Mailer, Pablo Picasso, Carl Sagan, Richard Feynman, Ted Turner, Friedrich Nietzsche, Bill Maher.

[biodork]

I think that's a very correct assumption WB. I know a lot of really smart people that smoke it. A quick websearch turned up these famous smarties: Norman Mailer, Pablo Picasso, Carl Sagan, Richard Feynman, Ted Turner, Friedrich Nietzsche, Bill Maher.
Cary Mulles (i think that's how you spell his name anyways) He did a lot of acid in his college years.

[J-girl]

I have also noticed that this is a no-win battle. People who do it on a regular basis will go to great lengths justifying the few pot smokers who have done well. Personally like I said before I dont care. I am a little bitter since it ruined my relationship with my bf.

Now if I could only have a penny for every pothead that messed up his life. :D

[WeirdBrake]

But then their brains would be different in some way than the brains of the very smart, motivated people who never touch the stuff or have any desire to, then?

Well, I'm sort of analogizing it to the theory that smart, motivated people also many times show a higher incidence of depression, anxiety, and other psychiatric disorders. Certainly, not everyone who's depressed is smart and motivated, and not everyone who's smart and motivated suffers from depression. But who knows... maybe being smart cognitively also makes you vulnerable to higher levels of emotion in certain ways, and maybe this leads some people to self-medicate with chemicals. For others, maybe not so much...

[WeirdBrake]

Also, I think it's important to note that if pot smokers are high-achieving, it's in spite of it, not because of it. Long term, regular pot use actually makes you less smart and motivated. It also destabilizes mood.

[biodork]

But then their brains would be different in some way than the brains of the very smart, motivated people who never touch the stuff or have any desire to, then?
In science, theories don't really apply 100% of the time. There are almost always exceptions, or times when something is true say 75% of the time. Sometimes there's a large correlation, sometimes it's smaller. Scientists just look for patterns to help explain why something happens most of the time.

[J-girl]

Also, I think it's important to note that if pot smokers are high-achieving, it's in spite of it, not because of it. Long term, regular pot use actually makes you less smart and motivated. It also destabilizes mood.
Thank you kindly.

[k.monster]

My ex bf smoked pot EVERYDAY and our relationship declined considerably! He was a go getter before and now he was a complete idiot with no zest for life. I am going to blame it on pot I am sorry. He was whiny complained about everything. HE always had the bored look on his face. He had a HIGH profile job at a major Canadian bank

Minus the Canadian bank and add IT company you've just described my ex husband!! His lack of drive was a huge factor in the divorce (on my end). He still is a daily toker and I can take it or leave it. (More on the leave it end)

[midtwenty]

although in Oregon it's only a misdemeanor if you have less than an ounce on you, so basically you can't grow it.
Unless you have a permit to grow it, which requires proof that it's medicinally necessary for you. At least, this is what I understand from my cousin in Portland who has really serious back problems and he grows his own.

Also, I think it's important to note that if pot smokers are high-achieving, it's in spite of it, not because of it. Long term, regular pot use actually makes you less smart and motivated. It also destabilizes mood.
This is very correct. Although I'd like to say the same can be said of alcohol, pills, food....damn near anything that a person can become addicted to. The main difference between high-achieving potheads, or drinkers or whatever, is their ability to understand and sucessfully recognize the line between using and abusing, and their ability to self-regulate and not let the substance take over their lives. It's willpower and personal responsibility, IMO, that sets us apart more than anything.

[natbumpo]

So people can only hold opinions on things they've done, not things they've chosen not to do for specific reasons? Wow, is that ever bullshit. I guess nobody can have an opinion about suicide either, never having committed it. But, hey, whatever.

No, everyone has an opinion. I'm just saying that most opinions people hold are baseless. How can some who has NEVER smoked pot have an opinion on what effects it has on people?

The suicide argument makes no sense. YEAH SUICIDE! SUICIDE IS GREAT! Woh would argue that? Totally nonsensical.

[wordsmith]

It makes about as much sense as the pregnancy comparison, given that smoking pot can be done by anyone, not everyone is physically capable of getting pregnant.

[J-girl]

How can some who has NEVER smoked pot have an opinion on what effects it has on people?


Lets ask my bf the effect pot has on him: "GOOOD OH YAH I WANT SOME MORE"

:rolleyes:

[k.monster]

Unless you have a permit to grow it, which requires proof that it's medicinally necessary for you. At least, this is what I understand from my cousin in Portland who has really serious back problems and he grows his own.



Yep, that's a state law but the feds can still technically get you for growing. It actually doesn't take a whole lot to get one, find the right doctor, pay your $300 to the state and you're set. You don't even have to grow your own, you can have a "caregiver" do it for you.

The other trick to the one ounce deal is that if you have multiple bags of weed (one for you, one for your friend) they will bust you for dealing. Then it's an intent to sell deal.

[tartytwenty]

Never smoked it. Maybe when I'm like really old I'll check it out. Until then, I'm not interested. I also didn't go off to college and wasn't in a dorm setting, so that pry factored into never being pressured to try it out. I'm not a fan of being around it, for legal reasons. I have seen more people in MY personal experience not use it responsibly therefore I don't date users of the substance. I know all of you have been successful and responsible with the drug, but I have no idea where you were when I was growing up.

Anyways, I agree it should be legalized, but not in public places--home use only. I don't want to be on a bus getting second hand smoke/high from a stranger who is using.

[Cole]

I personally had really strong opinions about pot and then a few years later I actually tried it. Now I kind of see the logic in saying "don't knock it 'til you've tried it." Because I realized I was wrong about a lot of the things I thought about potheads and what it was like to smoke it.

People can have opinions, for sure. But I always think its best to really know what your're talking about before you go off on it.

[tartytwenty]

No, everyone has an opinion. I'm just saying that most opinions people hold are baseless. How can some who has NEVER smoked pot have an opinion on what effects it has on people?


Because you watch them with your eyes and their behaviors while high. You can form an opinion on that.


A person who doesn't drink can form an opinion on drunk drivers, because they can SEE what happens to a person.

They may not know how it feels, but they know what types of behavior it will cause, which effects others in that environment, including themselves. AKA, you may not know what it's like to be drunk, but you may know a drunk person gets impaired and by getting impaired they may do something damaging to you.. violent fight, looser lips of gossip, car accident, therefore you form the opinion that drinking is bad based on what it can cause.

[summergold]

I personally had really strong opinions about pot and then a few years later I actually tried it. Now I kind of see the logic in saying "don't knock it 'til you've tried it." Because I realized I was wrong about a lot of the things I thought about potheads and what it was like to smoke it.

People can have opinions, for sure. But I always think its best to really know what your're talking about before you go off on it.

I think you can really know what pot does without having tried it. There's a lot to be said for observation. I've never done heroin, but I have researched it's effects on the body, and I've seen how people behave while on it. I think my opinion has a pretty decent base. There are people who will spout off about all manner of things without having too much of a basis for it, but those who give thoughtful, intelligent opinions should be held equally with someone who has an experienced based opinion.

[temptation]

Because you watch them with your eyes and their behaviors while high. You can form an opinion on that.



It can also depend on you drug tolerance. I can't handle alcohol at all and I don't like the taste so I don't drink at all. On the otherhand, I handle drugs very well. I guarantee if you saw me high you would have no clue that I was high. However, there are some people that can't even smoke a J without getting a paranoid and sketchy--I recommend that these people stay far away from drugs because obviously thier system can't handle it.

[wordsmith]

Then there are people (like me) who don't really enjoy even the idea of having their personalities under any kind of influence. I don't even like drinking to excess except on the very rare occasion when I actually feel, for whatever reason, like being a little less myself. I'm not myself when I'm drunk, and I doubt I'd be myself when high. I don't like not being myself. Most of the time, I really don't want my mood or personality altered in some way that's "not me." I can see how some people really probably enjoy that aspect of it, but I've never been to hip to it.

[natbumpo]

A person who doesn't drink can form an opinion on drunk drivers, because they can SEE what happens to a person.



That's an apples to oranges comparision. I'm not talking about people driving while high, I'm only talking about getting high.

[meatwad]

I guess I'm a loser too:

-Ivy League graduate
-NCAA divsion 1 athlete
-Analyst at a Federal Department
-Slated to attend a top business school
-Well trained in muay thai, jiu jitsu
-I could go on......

And my credentials are not half as impressive as some of my friends who have also smoked thier fair share.

My point:

Don't believe the hype. Not everyone who has smoked pot is a complete failure.

Then read my post again. Everyone I know. That's not hype, it's experience. That might not mean everyone who smokes pot is a complete loser, but all the ones I've met are.

[WeirdBrake]

Sorry... I know I'm gonna get my ass kicked for saying this, but I just have to laugh at the pot enthusiasts getting their bongs in an uproar on this thread over other people's perceptions of them. Smoke a joint and chill out! :p

[meatwad]

No, everyone has an opinion. I'm just saying that most opinions people hold are baseless. How can some who has NEVER smoked pot have an opinion on what effects it has on people?

All of my friends who have smoked pot on a regular basis turned into assholes afterwards. That's a negative effect that I've noticed as a non user.

[wordsmith]

Sorry... I know I'm gonna get my ass kicked for saying this, but I just have to laugh at the pot enthusiasts getting their bongs in an uproar on this thread over other people's perceptions of them. Smoke a joint and chill out! :p

Most pot enthusiasts I know ain't exactly the ass-kicker type.

[WeirdBrake]

Most pot enthusiasts I know ain't exactly the ass-kicker type.

Still... I don't want to risk getting pelted with potato chips and dingdongs.

[wordsmith]

What about being forcibly henna tattooed, or given a full-body patchouli massage?

[wordsmith]

Strangled with a woven shirt? Beaten with a Birkenstock?

[midtwenty]

Strangled with a woven shirt? Beaten with a Birkenstock?
Actually we would strangle him with a hemp necklace. ;)

[wordsmith]

Suffocate you in natty dreads?

[temptation]

Then read my post again. Everyone I know. That's not hype, it's experience. That might not mean everyone who smokes pot is a complete loser, but all the ones I've met are.


Ok. Fair enough. Maybe I was reading in between the lines a little too much.

And meatwad, it's not so much that I'm defending pot, it's that I dislike the fact that there is so much opposition to marijuana when there are other drugs which are equally, if not more, damaging. Then again, maybe the reason I'm wound up is because I don't smoke anymore. Somebody pass the Dutch.

[wordsmith]

It doesn't really look, though, at least here, that there IS a whole lotta opposition to marijuana. Even those of us who aren't interested in it are for the most part not opposed to it.

[Mad Dawg]

Actually we would strangle him with a hemp necklace. ;)Whatever! Just don't employ bong water as an offensive chemical weapon. The aroma makes mustard gas look like a pea shooter.

[shinyleaf]

cool thread.

WB, I think there is something to your theory about the high intelligence-weed thing. I'm not sure if it 's the academic culture that justifies it (it is here - a lot of the profs in my department smoke it) or if there is a real need for the active-brained to chemically slow it all down for awhile. I know some smoke it to let their ideas flow in a more calm and creative way. Kind of lame to rely on drugs to be creative, but artists have been doing that for years. Hey, the product's usually good so who's to complain?

In terms of personal usage, I have only smoked weed on a few occasions. I like the smell of it. That's about all the good I can say for my experience though. It made me tired, and made me even more of a know-it-all than I already am. Woot! What a party :googly: I felt like it changed my personality from my normal extroverted to withdrawn, pensive introvert. Not Me! Booze suits (er, enhances??) my personality (how's that for justification?)

On that note, it chaps my ass when people come down hard on weed like it's the devil but copious alcohol consumption, to the point of serious addiction, is A WAY OF LIFE! This is pretty prevalent in rural areas, and it's fucked right up. There's no way dope is more harmful than alcohol. No way.

Just a few PSAs about weed before I quit: girls, it fucks up your menstrual cycles - it ups your prolactin. And, a reminder, it can be deadly when taken by someone on antidepressants.

[midtwenty]

Whatever! Just don't employ bong water as an offensive chemical weapon. The aroma makes mustard gas look like a pea shooter.
Have you ever accidentally drank the stuff?! It IS a chemical weapon! Bong water smells like chocolate cake compared to how it tastes.
*vomit smiley*

[wordsmith]

Shinyleaf, one of my friends who is a very sporadic smoker (the non-annoying type) says that she's pretty much done with it because it just makes her sleepy and withdrawn.

[Mad Dawg]

Have you ever accidentally drank the stuff?!OK, story time! How in God's name did you accidentally drink bong water? :confused:

[J-girl]

Shinyleaf- My percetion of Saskatchewan is everyone is ALWAYS stoned.

[shinyleaf]

Shinyleaf, one of my friends who is a very sporadic smoker (the non-annoying type) says that she's pretty much done with it because it just makes her sleepy and withdrawn.


oh f, no kidding. And my lungs hurt after smoking it. Like Lindsay Lohan, " I smoked it, but I didn't like it". ... I'm a lot like Lindsay Lohan, yep. :googly:


J-Girl, are you sure you don't mean everyone in Sask is drunk? All the friends I had who were chronics took the daisy train to Vancouver years ago. Well, I'm glad there's a high proportion of pot smokers here... maybe it'll make them less motivated to drink a 26 and get in their half-tonne and drive into someone.

While we're on misperceptions of people in areas, my stereotype of southwestern ontario is that everyone is materialistic and stuck-up.

[J-girl]

lol shiny BC is pretty bad when it comes to sensimillia use (and abuse). :D

Not all of SWO is materialistic and stuck up, some of us do engage in pot use and alcohol abuse as well :D

PS: I was kidding about my (mis) perception. I know some pretty normal people from there!

[midtwenty]

OK, story time! How in God's name did you accidentally drink bong water? :confused:
Dude, you'd be amazed how easy it is to do. Especially when your coffee table is littered with a wide array of pop cans, beer bottles, and assorted drink containers from the party going on. You start laughing at something, reach for the nearest container with liquid in it, next thing you know you've got a mouthful of funk. It's especially dangerous when a good portion of your bong paraphernalia is made from things like Corona beer bottles or Jones soda bottles. They make awesome bongs, but the accidental drink risk factor goes up. HA.

[shinyleaf]

PS: I was kidding about my (mis) perception. I know some pretty normal people from there!


me too! - in fact I used to live there (which, sadly, is where my perception originated...)
but all my remaining friends, and you of course, are relatively normal! How's that for your compliment of the day? :green:

[J-girl]

How's that for your compliment of the day?


Awsome. But on the flip side I was trying hard to build my dork reputation!

[shinyleaf]

Awsome. But on the flip side I was trying hard to build my dork reputation!


Well here's a tip: whenever I'm looking to up the dork factor, I just imitate how my dad dances to hip-hop music. Imagine the generic 50 year old white professional man wearing chinos, trying to move like K-Os. therrrre ya go. A little extra dorky on the side.

[Mad Dawg]

Dude, you'd be amazed how easy it is to do. Especially when your coffee table is littered with a wide array of pop cans, beer bottles, and assorted drink containers from the party going on.I guess I am just extra careful because I am fully aware of my friends' propensity toward using their previous beer bottles as ash trays.

[Cole]

On that note, it chaps my ass when people come down hard on weed like it's the devil but copious alcohol consumption, to the point of serious addiction, is A WAY OF LIFE!

And, a reminder, it can be deadly when taken by someone on antidepressants.

A WAY OF LIFE: There's a big difference between people who smoke pot and serious stoners, just like there is a difference between people who drink and alcoholics. A lot of the generalizations being made in this thread are about serious potheads, who smoke up as a way of life. Be careful that you are not making those generalizations about all people who smoke it, there's a difference.

I've never heard of pot being deadly under any circumstances. I've read books that quote that no one has ever been killed by smoking marijuana. YOu would literally have to smoke a joint the size of a telephone pole to kill yourself, and you'd pass out long before that happened. Where did you hear that it can kill people on antidepressants? I'm sure it's not good for them, but I'd be surprised to hear that it kills them....

That aside, everyone's medical chemistry is different. It's likely that people have different extremes of experience. This is yet another reason why people shouldn't make generalizations.

Finally, has anyone ever seen a violent stoner? I doubt they'd even bother to attempt to beat you with their birks. Or if they tried, they'd forget what they were doing by the time they figured out how to get their shoe off. ;)

This is why there's the argument amongst some in Madison to legalize marijuana at least for halloween and the mifflin street block party. Drunk people riot. Stoned people just get the munchies. So really, they'd beeasier to control AND good for local vendors.

And as for me... pot makes me quiet, sleepy, and I just sit on the couch with perma-grin. I think that can be good for me sometimes. :)

[shinyleaf]

A WAY OF LIFE: There's a big difference between people who smoke pot and serious stoners, just like there is a difference between people who drink and alcoholics. A lot of the generalizations being made in this thread are about serious potheads, who smoke up as a way of life. Be careful that you are not making those generalizations about all people who smoke it, there's a difference.

I've never heard of pot being deadly under any circumstances. I've read books that quote that no one has ever been killed by smoking marijuana. YOu would literally have to smoke a joint the size of a telephone pole to kill yourself, and you'd pass out long before that happened. Where did you hear that it can kill people on antidepressants? I'm sure it's not good for them, but I'd be surprised to hear that it kills them....

That aside, everyone's medical chemistry is different. It's likely that people have different extremes of experience. This is yet another reason why people shouldn't make generalizations.

Finally, has anyone ever seen a violent stoner? I doubt they'd even bother to attempt to beat you with their birks. Or if they tried, they'd forget what they were doing by the time they figured out how to get their shoe off. ;)

This is why there's the argument amongst some in Madison to legalize marijuana at least for halloween and the mifflin street block party. Drunk people riot. Stoned people just get the munchies. So really, they'd beeasier to control AND good for local vendors.

And as for me... pot makes me quiet, sleepy, and I just sit on the couch with perma-grin. I think that can be good for me sometimes. :)

HI, I'm not sure if your retort was directed at my post. If it was, read it again because I was making a similar point. My beef is with a culture who thinks the occasional toke is the world's greatest sin, but continues to respond to drunk driving and serious alcoholism as though it's normal and acceptable. It's an extreme double standard I've never understood.

As for the incidence of pot and antidepressant leading to death, perhaps I should rephrase that it's been found that the THC in pot can react synergistically with SSRI's, and has been noted as cause of death in some instances. Sorry, I'm in a rush and don't have the ref at my fingertips.

[monicat]

Really their is a big difference in smoking occaisionally (like I do) and staying stoned all the time.

Sometimes I just wanna come home, have a glass of wine, and take a little puff. Ya know??

My ex-b was a STONER!! And he was a LOSER!! Actually, I have 2 ex's like that........(me- gotta learn the hard way! LOL) But, that was really not the same...They woke up and smoked until bed...and that's about all they did.

I quit for a long time because they pissed me off so bad. I was just like "Whatever, pot makes people fucking idiots." I really looked down on everyone, at that point, that even touched pot.

Now, I'm in a more comfortable space and my boyfriend and I seem to be able to enjoy it here and there. It's good for camping, hiking and enjoying nature, sex, and just kicking back after dinner on a Saturday night to chat..before sex. LOLOLOL We don't get "stoned". We just have enough to enhance the mood.

I regret smoking pot like I did when I was younger. I started smoking pot when I was 15, I think that is HORRIBLE!!

After everything I've done....I'm going to have to raise my kids in the basement!! LOL (karma is going to KICK my ass!!) LOL
-Monicat
(you guys seemed to really enjoy this post...I'm glad.)

[natbumpo]

All of my friends who have smoked pot on a regular basis turned into assholes afterwards. That's a negative effect that I've noticed as a non user.

Maybe all the people you have known who smoke pot. I possitively refuse to believe every single person you have known who smoked weed turned out to be a loser/assholr afterwards.

[meatwad]

Maybe all the people you have known who smoke pot. I possitively refuse to believe every single person you have known who smoked weed turned out to be a loser/assholr afterwards.

You can believe what you want. I've seen it.

[hoodie]

I used to smoke up regularly in college, sophomore year, but lets see...it was expensive and I went broke, I always succumbed to munchies and ended up gaining 40 lbs., and I developed athsma. I've been fighting to lose weight and lose the wheezing ever since. So needless to say I will never again make weed a regular part of my life again, it did not do much for me that was positive.

However, that said, I've since developed the self restraint to keep myself from smoking it regularly/frequently, and now it's kinda nice. Maybe a hit or two once every six months. I just needed to realize "hey, i'm a lazy wheezing broke ass porker, I should quit doing this all the time" and reserve it for a once-in-a-blue-moon relaxing thing to do.

[shimmer728]

I just needed to realize "hey, i'm a lazy wheezing broke ass porker, I should quit doing this all the time"

LOL. Yeah, fear of gaining weight (alcohol will do that all by itself! :eek: ) and lack of funds definitely keeps me from experimenting more with weed.

[temptation]

I used to smoke up regularly in college, sophomore year, but lets see...it was expensive and I went broke, I always succumbed to munchies and ended up gaining 40 lbs., and I developed athsma. I've been fighting to lose weight and lose the wheezing ever since. So needless to say I will never again make weed a regular part of my life again, it did not do much for me that was positive.

However, that said, I've since developed the self restraint to keep myself from smoking it regularly/frequently, and now it's kinda nice. Maybe a hit or two once every six months. I just needed to realize "hey, i'm a lazy wheezing broke ass porker, I should quit doing this all the time" and reserve it for a once-in-a-blue-moon relaxing thing to do.


I know it's not really that funny but that made me laugh my ass off.

[hoodie]

:D No worries. I know how stupid I was. If you can't laugh at yourself, you lose your greatest source of material.