X-Men III

[HereComes30]

I saw X-Men on Sunday and LOVED it!! I am a big fan of super hero movies but I thought this was the best of the 3 in this series...the most suspense...best special effects...loved all the new characters...AWESOME!

Did anyone else see it? Did you like it? Did you see the little clip after the credits?

[Chambo101]

No! I only heard afterwards that there was a clip, and I still don't know what it was! So ..... uh ..... what was it?

[blueyes]

Meh. I was pretty disappointed, actually. It felt piece-y.

Then again, this wasn't a friggin' documentary. It's X-Men.

[WorkInProgress]

Yep, I saw it. Yep, I liked it. I didn't exactly LOVE it, but it was exciting, entertaining, etc. The special effects were incredible and awesome to watch on a big screen. Some were probably not all that necessary, but astounding to watch. Nothing about this movie was subtle, but I don't think that necessarily makes it bad, although some people do.

I know of at least one fanboy (and likely all of his comicbook friends) who was seriously pissed watching this movie because he didn't think that some of the characters in the movie remained true to the characters in the comics. He probably has a point (and, I gotta say, I get spitting mad like that when characters from books I love are written/acted/directed horribly and are barely recognizable from the source material), but I'm not so devoted to the original sources that I care.

While it was nice to sort of meet some new characters, I would have preferred to get to see fewer and know them a bit better. I also would have liked to NOT see so much of some characters we've already run across.

I enjoyed myself in a comicmoviegeek sort of way. I have always preferred X-Men to others (except for Batman Begins).

I liked the ending, and I can't wait to see the direction the next movie takes. (And yeah, I know they've said it'll only be a triology, but when movies make as much as this one is, there are so many characters to draw from, and there are so many plot possibilities, they'll make another, and I think they'll make 'em until the movies start sucking hardcore and people stop going.)

[coll214]

I saw it and liked it. i thought it was just as good as the other two... but what's this of a clip at the end of the credits??

[embrassezla]

i thought the movie was on par with the previous one. i enjoyed it, but there were some major plot oversights! maybe i missed something. i dont want to spoil it, so if you already saw the movie, highlight below:

the movie didnt take any time to flesh out what was going on with Jean's powers, and they certainly didn't establish that she couldn't be saved by the "cure" serum. so why did wolverine have to kill her at the end? why couldn't he just stab her with a syringe?

[WorkInProgress]

Yeah, I wondered about that too. Although considering other developments, it may not be that big a deal after all.

[enigma]

I thought the movie was decent, but I liked the first two more.

There is a good clip after the credits...

[and1grad]

I saw it and I thought it was alright. I really liked the 2nd one with the attack on the mansion. Anyway, its weird with Xmen b/c there's so many different story arcs that the movie doesnt really HAVE to stay really true to any of the former characters. Also, in response to the whited out part, here's what I think is happening: For one thing, as we saw, the "cure" is temporary, which makes sense. Jean's problem was more psychological. That being said, I dont think that was the real Jean, they MIGHT be going with the story arc that says that this was a clone of Jean (who still sits under the Lake) made by the Phoenix. Then there's more questions that I have like: What happened to Cyclops? Who does Rogue hurt when her powers come back?

[and1grad]

Also, I wonder what will happen with "Leech?"

[tina1979]

I saw it. I enjoyed it. Didn't love it though. I liked the first two better.

Whats the deal with logan and jean anyway? In the movie logan is "in love" with her. He barely knows her....It makes absolutely no sense to me. :googly:

[WorkInProgress]

It's comic book love. Sort of related to fairy tale love. You kinda have to go with it (kinda like you have to go with the whole mutant thing).

[tina1979]

It's comic book love. Sort of related to fairy tale love. You kinda have to go with it (kinda like you have to go with the whole mutant thing).
I guess.... i can go with the whole mutant thing, thats what the movie is about obviously, but the whole love story part just irritated me. Oh well!! I still liked the movie. I guess it didn't throw me that bad. :huge:

[RealChic1999]

I took my brother to see it this weekend...the action kept me into it, but I was disappointed with how many mutants either got killed or lost their powers. Even the bad guys didn't deserve to lose their powers...it should be a choice.

If you don't want to be spoiled, don't highlight below:

The end clip is that Xavier transferred his soul into the comatose man (which he talked about in his ethics class). He says, "Moira?" to his nurse (who I heard was his lover in the comics).

(Thanks, WorkInProgress. Why didn't I think of that?)

[embrassezla]

oh yeah, and1, that's another thing:

<spoiler>
so, the cure IS temporary? is that evidenced by the last scene depicting Magneto moving the chess piece without touching it? i must have blinked, because i thought the scene was him kind of tapping at it, obviously not able to move it anymore, which would make a statment about his newfound feeble-ness. but my SO assured me that he was in fact still able to move it and i just missed it. either way, clearly a sequel is planned which is pretty cool.

</spoiler>

[and1grad]

oh yeah, and1, that's another thing:

<spoiler>

</spoiler>
Ya the serum is temporary. He didnt touch the chesspiece. Two things to note: When Beast met Leech and tried to shake his hand, when he pulled his hand back, it turned back into a blue furrball. Also, to be a "cure" it would need to re-write mutant DNA. This stuff worked more like a vaccine.

[embrassezla]

response:
I assumed that meant that Leech's powers involved a proximal component, and that the "cure" that was synthesized was simply based on the study of how his powers bridge the gap between human and mutant. But maybe I'm giving the writers too much credit here and they simply meant to state that Leech's effect on mutants is temporary, therefore, a cure based on his powers would also be temporary. But I like the idea that the cure is not permanant in either case. But I still think Wolverine should have at least TRIED to use the cure on Jean, and then expressed a moment of pure shock and horror when he realizes that it doesn't work on her and he has to kill her instead.

[WorkInProgress]

hmm. Thoughts:
I, too, am glad that the serum is only temporary. It makes the whole thing much more interesting. Did Magneto's super dose (there several syringes) wear off sooner or later than, say, Mystiquie's or Rogue's since they, presumably got only a single dose? I wonder, though, whether it would work on Phoenix, and, you're right, it would have been nice to find that out. I don't know why it wouldn't. I am not convinced that Phoenix is all dead, though. If Prof. X's consciousness/soul/whatever-you-want-to-call-it could inhabit another body, don't you think Phoenix could too? And then, did Prof. X choose to inhabit that body, or was it more a primeval survival thing? We think that he chose, since he had planned a lecture/discussion on the ethics of just that earlier. And then, one wonders if a body-less consciousness/soul/whatever could choose to inhabit/possess a body that is already inhabited. Could Phoenix take over someone else's body?

PS: I love that we can type in white and read it highlighted. Such a great tool!

[Deadend]

I saw it and I thought it was alright. I really liked the 2nd one with the attack on the mansion. Anyway, its weird with Xmen b/c there's so many different story arcs that the movie doesnt really HAVE to stay really true to any of the former characters. Also, in response to the whited out part, here's what I think is happening:

Ya that's how I took it too.(especially deleted supposed to be hidden part)

Sorry but I was highly dissapointed by this movie. I'd say it just fell short of retroactively ruining the first two GREAT movies. SPOILER:

And I've always been a huge x-men geek. Hell I have a shelf of the entire x-force spinoff series still. I just loved the idea of outcasts and secrets.

I mean, they axe off a few of the developed charecters (cycl very cheaply) in favour of a load of underdeveloped charecters that we are basically given nothing about. What was the point of all but replacing Rogue with Shadowcat? Because she and Collossus had a couple cameos in the first two films?

No witty banter between wolverine any cyc in this movie. The first two movies made me laugh, I barely cracked a smile in this one (however beast had a couple of choice lines). It goes so fast that it seems nobody save for storm, magneto and wolverine have more then about 10 lines, and in the end, is even 20 minutes shorter then the other two!



Thank god for Ian McKlellen. The guy saved this movie from being horrible.

It's just two bad that the director from the first two was too busy doing superman. They really should have waited for him. I hate superman.

[pisces2473]

Hey Deadend, I edited your post b/c your spoiler was spoiling it for everyone else.

To everyone--saw it, loved it! Didn't see the end clip, but my boyfriend's brother did and told us about it. Totally agree with everyone's spoilers and ideas about other movies...

[Deadend]

Hey Deadend, I edited your post b/c your spoiler was spoiling it for everyone else.

To everyone--saw it, loved it! Didn't see the end clip, but my boyfriend's brother did and told us about it. Totally agree with everyone's spoilers and ideas about other movies...

ya I just saw that the white tag goofed up (stupid thing)

[Deadend]

on above

On the idea of the temporary-nature of the serum:

That idea also plays into the central themes of the franchise much more nicely. Acceptance, and that you can't just take a pill to change what you are.

Plus I mean, if these powers are supposed to be in the genes.... it just makes more sense to me. (but then again, this is x-men, science fiction liberties abound)

[EmberMae]

I enjoyed it. I think the first two movies were better, but it was entertaining. I don't really like Halle Berry's Storm character, it's a shame she had such a large part in this one. I have never read the comics, and have tried to read up on some of the character's histories, but I can't make sense out of a lot of it. It seems the comics weren't as consistant and had a lot of different story lines that don't always mesh, whereas the movie tried to stick with this one story line about genetic mutation and persecution of mutants and they made the character's histories fit it. It's still not always plausible, but it's an interesting concept.

I'm not so sure about a sequel. I mean professor X not Patrick Stewart? I can't see it. They might make a sequel for the $$$ but I don't know if it will be as good.

[pisces2473]

Apparently, in the comic book...

the serum IS temporary, everyone can get their powers back...which will open up a whole can of worms if Rogue and Bobby ever get together...especially if it wears off during the act...LOL

I really don't "get" how Professor X transferred himself to another being, but I totally missed the ethics lesson connection until someone brought it up here.

I also didn't get how Jean/Phoenix was still alive and how that was done...

I heard they are not continuing the series and are making a new movie but with Logan as the main character. That'll be cool.

Anyway, my boyfriend is a fanboy and he really liked it. My brother is a dabbler in comics and thought it was just okay.

I loved the requisite Stan Lee cameo though!

[pisces2473]

I enjoyed it. I think the first two movies were better, but it was entertaining. I don't really like Halle Berry's Storm character, it's a shame she had such a large part in this one. I have never read the comics, and have tried to read up on some of the character's histories, but I can't make sense out of a lot of it. It seems the comics weren't as consistant and had a lot of different story lines that don't always mesh, whereas the movie tried to stick with this one story line about genetic mutation and persecution of mutants and they made the character's histories fit it. It's still not always plausible, but it's an interesting concept.

Sorry! I had to cut the spoiler out, it wasn't white when it was quoted!
That's an interesting comment about the character's histories. Apparently, in the comic books, most of the characters are around the same age. There isn't that huge disparity like with Rogue and Wolverine (although I have always thought there was an undercurrent of sexual tension between the two of them). The fact that the Beast and Angel were not introduced until this movie is also slightly wacked...since the "original" Xmen were Angel, Beast, Cyclops, Iceman, and Jean Grey (and the professor too). See, even within that group there is a disparity with the ages.

Now as for the spoiler...
Maybe they'll do a Darth Vader type thing...it'll be Patrick Stewart's voice, but a different actor's body?

[and1grad]

Now that I think about it, Dead End, you're absolutely right. That movie might've been junk w/o Ian b/c the other characters, with the exception of Beast, are a snoozefest. I remember Halle fighting for more airtime or she wouldnt do the movie so thats why she's so prominently displayed, but her character is ridiculously uninteresting so I really thought the amount of Storm should've been on par with the other 2...minimal. In terms of the age disparity, Wolverine's always been super old so I didnt think anything of it. I thought the way they brought Rogue in on the first movie was odd, as well as the hair thing, but the Xmen storylines are so vast, it didnt seem like a big deal. I think they should've done more with Iceman vs Pyro. It seemed like that was a bigger setup in the 2nd movie.
pisces,
Phoenix is able to encase its host in a protective coccoon and there is an Xmen storyline that has Phoenix actually replicating Jean Grey. In fact, a clone of Jean Grey is how you get the character Cable, who was one of the most popular characters for a while. Now here's where it gets interesting...powerful telepaths like Charles are able to survive in an "astral plane" thats kind of like a limbo b/w the real world and a different universe/time. The presence of Moira, as well as the mention of "Father" on Xavier's tombstone (I dont think his illegitimate son has ever been mentioned in one of the movies) opens up a lot of new interesting story possibilities i.e. time travel being a means of saving Professor X's physical form.

[pisces2473]

And1--

Is Juggernaut Xavier's son? Or is he his half-brother, stepbrother, something else? I thought that the "father" on the tombstone was a figurative use of the word, as he really was the only true father a lot of the Xmen had known.

[WorkInProgress]

Now that I think about it, Dead End, you're absolutely right. That movie might've been junk w/o Ian b/c the other characters, with the exception of Beast, are a snoozefest. I remember Halle fighting for more airtime or she wouldnt do the movie so thats why she's so prominently displayed, but her character is ridiculously uninteresting so I really thought the amount of Storm should've been on par with the other 2...minimal. In terms of the age disparity, Wolverine's always been super old so I didnt think anything of it. I thought the way they brought Rogue in on the first movie was odd, as well as the hair thing, but the Xmen storylines are so vast, it didnt seem like a big deal. I think they should've done more with Iceman vs Pyro. It seemed like that was a bigger setup in the 2nd movie.

I don't think I could possibly agree more.

[embrassezla]

don't even get me STARTED on how lame Storm's character is/was in this movie. what the hell is "the best defense is a good offense"? is that supposed to be funny/clever? the dialogue was seriously suffering if they felt that it was important to repeat that line more than once.

[RealChic1999]

I don't really like Halle Berry's Storm character, it's a shame she had such a large part in this one.

I will always, ALWAYS consider Halle Berry miscast for that role. I still believe it should've been Iman (who's Somalian). Slap on a white wig and three-inch heels, and she would look like the 6-foot tall Storm. And she would also wear the blue contacts...Halle said in an interview years back that the contacts hurt her eyes so she didn't wear them.

Someone else suggested Angela Bassett...she may be nowhere near 6 feet tall, but the way she carries herself as an actress would've brought height and strength to Storm.

Halle doesn't know how to be BOTH elegant and tough at the same time...which Storm is supposed to be. She's on "tough mode" 100% of the time and sounds like she's about to yank someone's weave out as opposed to strategically and calmly dispatching her opponents.

The comic Storm would say, "Now how would we go about handling this matter?" Halle's Storm says, "What we gonna do about that?"

I like Halle Berry...but not for this role. And the whining she's done about the X-men movies is getting old.

[WorkInProgress]

Ooooh, I hadn't even thought of Iman. She certainly could look the part.

The movie version of Storm has been a little lame from the beginning and I think part of that is writing (anyone else recall the "you know what happens to toads who get struck by lightening" quip? ugh), but you're right that Halle's delivery is just off.

And yeah, her whining is obnoxious.

[Deadend]

Pretty much agree with everyone here. Storm has been more or less a supporting charecter in these movies. That Halle Barry was obnoxious enough to have them fiddle with the script to give her a bigger part really showed. Espcially because the Storm charecter is supposed to be dominant, regal, and TALL. Halle Barry played her as none of those things. In X3 she was simply a small timid storm with more lines.

But you know, I wouldn't have a problem with that devation from the comic book charecter had it made for a better script, but Halle's haggling made this movie even MORE disjointed, which it didn't need. Like and1 said, it was a bit odd how they brought in Rogue (who was very differant in this series then her comic book counter part). Essentially they substituted her for Jubilee (right down to the friendship with Wolverine, it couldn't have been more obvious). But then, Jubilee is supposed to be arrogant and mouthy, and her power isn't particularily interesting. For the purpose of a kid we feel for, a sweet southern girl who can't touch people worked much better. So in that case, the charecter alteration actually worked FOR the script.

Storm was in from the beggining because they couldn't not have Storm, and Halle got the part because the was a big name and (sort of) Black. I remember her being the biggest complaint of everyone I went to see the First movie with - at the time, and that film was otherwise fantastic.

Incidently I read that Wizard magazine's original pick for Storm was Angela Basset. That would have been perfect.

[RealChic1999]

But then, Jubilee is supposed to be arrogant and mouthy, and her power isn't particularily interesting. For the purpose of a kid we feel for, a sweet southern girl who can't touch people worked much better. So in that case, the charecter alteration actually worked FOR the script.

Jubilee is in the second and recent X-men movies...as a random chick in Xavier's classes. I don't get why they even bothered having her character in the movies then. I heard online that they probably made Rogue in the movie a composite of comic book Rogue and Jubilee because people know more about Rogue than Jubilee.

[and1grad]

And1--
pisces,I think he's a stepbrother and the use of Father could've been figurative...but the presence of Moira makes me wonder.

Also, I agree that Angela would make an excellent Storm.

[meatwad]

Ok. I'm gonna chime in here. I pretty much agree completely with Deadend on this one. The dialogue was lacking compared to the last two, the movie felt rushed, and there was ZERO real character interaction except for Mags and Logan. Ian McEllan was the best part of this movie, just like Davinci Code, and even he couldn't save it in my opinion. It was a great ride, but it wasn't a good movie in my opinion.

Whoever was asking about Juggernaut and the Prof., Juggs is Charles' step brother in the normal universe comics. When Charles' old man kicked, his mom married his assistant Dr. Marko.

Dr. Marko had a son from a previous marriage named Cain. Since old man Marko used to beat the living shit out of Cain, but put Charles on a pedastal so as not to upset Charles' mother (who was ridiculously wealthy), Cain hated Charles. He'd pick on him and beat him up. One day Charles read Cain's mind to find out why he hated him so much. Cain found out and hated Charles even more.

Fast forward to Korea and the two end up in the same platoon in the Army. They find a tomb of some ancient deity and Cain ends up becoming the Juggernaut when he finds a gem inside that has the power of some old God in it.

[and1grad]

Fast forward to Korea and the two end up in the same platoon in the Army. They find a tomb of some ancient deity and Cain ends up becoming the Juggernaut when he finds a gem inside that has the power of some old God in it.
This brings up another difference in the movie as Juggernaut is presented as a mutant.

[meatwad]

This brings up another difference in the movie as Juggernaut is presented as a mutant.

"I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!"

Only part of the whole movie that made me laugh. That and Kitty's response.

[Deadend]

"I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!"

Only part of the whole movie that made me laugh. That and Kitty's response.

For me it was "Oh my Stars and Garters!"..... but then, I used to watch the cartoon alot 15 years ago.

[meatwad]

It would have been nice to throw in a, "Where's Kurt? Oh, he went home to Germany to visit his friends in the cirucus."

[and1grad]

For me it was when he ran into the wall and fell over.

[Adam Strange]

I was a huge fan of the comics and animated series as a kid. I also enjoyed the first two movies, especially the second one. Some thoughts (spoilers in white):

Halle Berry was always a bad choice for Storm. She is a fine actress but she can’t seem to deliver one-liners in an action film to save her life. She had to take her top off to keep our attention in Swordfish. Plus, she is too light-skinned to be African. In the comics, Storm is Kenyan, I think, although the film gives no impression that she is, other than that half-assed accent Berry tried in the first movie. Also, her superstar status led the writers to increase Storm’s screen time without really exploring her character.

Except for her confrontation with Professor X (a killer scene), Jean’s transformation into Phoenix was poorly done. They relied on weird-ass eye colors and exploding things around her, instead of an actual performance from Famke Jenssen, which sucks because she was really good in the past two films. Plus, by making Magneto the main enemy, Phoenix literally just stood around for a good portion of the film.

Juggernaut was kick ass. The performances from Vinnie Jones, Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan, and Kelsey Grammar were all good, but have me convinced that a British accent is a bizarre side effect of genetic mutation.

Rogue didn’t get much screen time, but I liked the resolution of her storyline. It added some moral complexity to the “cure” debate.

The quick way in which Cyclops was written out of the film was, from what I understand, because the actor was working on another project but it was still badly done. Did Cyc do anything to deserve that? Mystique, on the other hand, was a good call. We saw enough of her in the first two films.

There were too many mutants. Angel, Leech and Multiple Man seemed more like human plot devices than characters. Colossus barely got three lines. “Quill Guy” and the other street mutants/rejects-from-a-bad-early-1990s-fighting-arcade-game were lame. The screenwriters should have cut some characters and expanded others. I wanted to know more about Jean’s “hidden personality,” Professor X’s mental manipulations of others and why Pyro was so dammed pissed.

The big action finale was a let down. I admit that Bryan Singer’s final battles were a little tame. In the first film, the big confrontation with Magneto was cut short when Mags simply realized he could trap everyone in iron. In the second, they mostly fought a bunch of foot soldiers. But this was just a soulless CGI orgy. I know this is a comic book movie, but that’s what I liked about the first two, they didn’t seem like comic book movies, they were simply good science fiction films.

The movie, all in all, seemed rushed, like they were trying to tie together all the conflicts from the previous two movies (Magneto’s “debate” with Xavier, Xavier’s warnings about Jean’s powers, Jean’s attraction to Wolverine, Wolverine’s mentorship of Rogue, Rogue’s relationship with Iceman, Iceman’s rivalry with Pyro, Pyro’s apprenticeship under Magneto), while adding a handful of new characters. The last Lord of the Rings movie did the same but it was the longest of the trilogy. X-Men 3 is the shortest. Hopefully, this means, that if they do a fourth film, they'll have a smaller cast and new main villain.

That’s my analysis. I swear I usually rent documentaries and David Lynch films.

[and1grad]

Plus, she is too light-skinned to be African.
Umm...what? I have cousins who have never been out of Africa that are her skin color and lighter. I dont know what you're talking about here. Other than that, I totally agree with everything you said. This movie could have been FAR more interesting.

In ref to the spoiler,
I think Mystique will be back. She's one of the few interesting characters we've seen.

[Adam Strange]

Umm...what? I have cousins who have never been out of Africa that are her skin color and lighter. I dont know what you're talking about here.

I guess I was thinking of Storm in the comics, where she is often looks Maasai. But you are right, there are many skin tones across Africa.

Again on the spoiler:
"I think Mystique will be back. She's one of the few interesting characters we've seen."

Yeah, in addition to being a pretty cool character – a less talky representation of Magneto’s militant stance - a supermodel in a sprayed-on costume playing a fairly bendable femme fatale is something 20th Century Fox can bank on. I’m just wondering if they’ll try to make her Mags’ lieutenant again, like nothing ever happened.

[Adam Strange]

For a fourth movie, I think it would be cool to see Wolverine investigate his origins with help from the X-Men, consisting of Storm, Angel, Iceman and Shadowcat. Maybe Beast could help them unlock some government secrets. I’d prefer them to keep out characters already conveniently written out of the storyline.

Mr. Sinister, a nefarious, century-old, mutant geneticist for non-comics readers, could be worked into the project that spawned Wolverine and be the main villain. Deadpool and/or Omega Red could be henchmen because they are already linked to the Wolver. It could be a mutants-as-an-allegory-for-human-rights-victims thing.

[HereComes30]

Jubilee is in the second and recent X-men movies...as a random chick in Xavier's classes.

I did not know this! I will have to watch it again tonight!

Phoenix literally just stood around for a good portion of the film.


Especially toward the end. I was expecting her to step in and open a can of whoop-a** but she just stood there in a daze.

I thought Grammar's voice was PERFECT for Beast and totally agree with what someone else said earlier...no one could possibly fit the role of Prof X as well as Patrick Stewart.

I would like to see Gambit on the big screen.

I had heard that there was not another movie to be made after this third one...but I definitely see the potential left open for a 4th or 5th. Anyone heard any news about a 4th?

[allie1105]

I might go check out the movie tonight...glad to hear some good feedback!!!!!

[tina1979]

I had heard that there was not another movie to be made after this third one...but I definitely see the potential left open for a 4th or 5th. Anyone heard any news about a 4th?
I read somewhere that the newwer characters had to sign a deal for 2 or 3 movies, so I would assume tht would leave room for at least one more. Maybe they will just be in the wolverine movie?

[Adam Strange]

I had heard that there was not another movie to be made after this third one...but I definitely see the potential left open for a 4th or 5th. Anyone heard any news about a 4th?

I understood that this would be the end of the "trilogy," that these movies would fit together regardless of sequels. I guess that's why they needed to resolve everything in X-Men 3.

I heard that there may be two movies in the works: A Wolverine movie that finally resolves his origin for good (It took about 30 years for this to happen in the comics) and a prequel about Magneto and Xavier's early days that would not involve Stewart or McKellan.

As far as X-Men 4 is concerned, I don't see how they would not do it considering the opening weekend X-Men 3 had and the inevitable high DVD sales.

[RealChic1999]

Jubilee is in the second and recent X-men movies...as a random chick in Xavier's classes.


I did not know this! I will have to watch it again tonight!

It's not a "Wow! I've gotta see this" moment. I remember she had one line in the second movie...and in the new one I didn't even know she was in it until I saw her name in the credits. Someone online said she was in Xavier's class in the new movie...I don't know that for sure or not. She's just an Asian girl with big hoop earrings (as far as I remember from X-2). She doesn't use her powers or anything.

[HereComes30]

As far as X-Men 4 is concerned, I don't see how they would not do it considering the opening weekend X-Men 3 had and the inevitable high DVD sales.

I didn't hear what the total was for the weekend. Anyone know? I know the first day was something like $150M and was a strong opening night.

I have already pre-ordered my DVD. Just kidding...but I will definitely buy it since I already own the first 2 as well as all of the original Superman movies, both Spiderman movies, and there is something else that I am forgetting. I did have all 4 seasons of Smallville as well but was strapped for cash one month and sold them. I have the latest Captain America cartoon movie as well. I think a Captain America live action movie or a Justice League movie would be GREAT! Unbreakable is a good comic-book influenced movie. Can't wait for Superman to hit the big screen too of course.

So here is a question for the group... who has had the best superhero movies thus far.... Marvel or DC? Have a favorite?

So far we have had:
Batman
Spiderman
Fantastic 4
X-Men
Punisher
Incredible Hulk
Elektra
Catwoman (which I didn't and will never see)
Dare Devil

(am I missing any?)

[meatwad]

I didn't hear what the total was for the weekend. Anyone know? I know the first day was something like $150M and was a strong opening night.

I have already pre-ordered my DVD. Just kidding...but I will definitely buy it since I already own the first 2 as well as all of the original Superman movies, both Spiderman movies, and there is something else that I am forgetting. I did have all 4 seasons of Smallville as well but was strapped for cash one month and sold them. I have the latest Captain America cartoon movie as well. I think a Captain America live action movie or a Justice League movie would be GREAT! Unbreakable is a good comic-book influenced movie. Can't wait for Superman to hit the big screen too of course.

So here is a question for the group... who has had the best superhero movies thus far.... Marvel or DC? Have a favorite?

So far we have had:
Batman
Spiderman
Fantastic 4
X-Men
Punisher
Incredible Hulk
Elektra
Catwoman (which I didn't and will never see)
Dare Devil

(am I missing any?)


In order:

1. X-Men (Especially X2 which I think is the best comic movie ever)
2. Batman (with Keaton and Nicholson being the best)
3. Spider-man
4. Superman (Even though only I and II were anygood and II was almost ruined cause the Salkinds are idiots)
5. Hulk (I liked it. Shoot me.)
6. Punisher
7. Fantastic 4
8. Dare Devil
9. Elektra
10. Haven't seen Catwoman.

EDIT: And Spawn was just aweful, but the HBO animated series was really good.

[coll214]

Catwoman (which I didn't and will never see)

Batman or Superman are the best IMO.... with Spiderman not far behind. Though I must say I actually saw Catwoman and the best part of the movie? When my sister threatened bodily harm to the 14 year old twits in the theatre who were being obnoxious :huge: .

[and1grad]

In order:

1. X-Men (Especially X2 which I think is the best comic movie ever)
2. Batman (with Keaton and Nicholson being the best)
3. Spider-man
4. Superman (Even though only I and II were anygood and II was almost ruined cause the Salkinds are idiots)
5. Hulk (I liked it. Shoot me.)
6. Punisher
7. Fantastic 4
8. Dare Devil
9. Elektra
10. Haven't seen Catwoman.

EDIT: And Spawn was just aweful, but the HBO animated series was really good.
I agree with this list.

[WorkInProgress]

Yeah, I agree with the rankings, but not necessarily the specifics (like, my favorite Batman is the newest one, and I never really cared for any of the older ones).

[tina1979]

I liked the earlier batman with keaton and nicholson, but I thought the new one was awesome. I hope they do more with Christian Bale.

[Adam Strange]

It's not a "Wow! I've gotta see this" moment. I remember she had one line in the second movie...and in the new one I didn't even know she was in it until I saw her name in the credits.

Check out the deleted scenes in the DVD. You get to see her wander around the science exhibit with some sparks trickling off her fingertips.

I can’t really rank superhero movies as I have not kept track of all of them. Some thoughts:

Tim Burton’s Batman and Richard Donner’s Superman are classics. Despite the fact that advancements in CGI have made anything possible, I’ve yet to see an action movie that touches the imagery and atmosphere of Batman. Plus, Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson washed the 1960s television show’s Batman and Joker from our collective consciousness by, instead of playing typical hero and villain, portraying them as simply two f-ed up people. Superman was great simply because it was less an action movie and more of a biopic of an American icon.

The sequels, however, were just a little lamer each time and remember that Superman II introduced the phrase was “Kneel before Zod!” to our culture.

The Hulk absolutely sucked. Only George Lucas and Peter Jackson can get away with completely computer-animated characters in live action movies and Ang Lee, despite being very talented, is not George Lucas or Peter Jackson. Plus, that ending refused to make any goddamn sense. Oh yeah and a gammaradiated, superstrong, mutant poodle. That was a nice touch.

[meatwad]

The Hulk absolutely sucked. Only George Lucas and Peter Jackson can get away with completely computer-animated characters in live action movies and Ang Lee, despite being very talented, is not George Lucas or Peter Jackson. Plus, that ending refused to make any goddamn sense. Oh yeah and a gammaradiated, superstrong, mutant poodle. That was a nice touch.

Ah, but The Hulk's problem was the opposite of X3s problem. X3 was 2.5 hours of movie cramed into an hour and forty-five minutes. Hulk was an hour and a half of movie crammed into two and a half hours. And as far as the CGI goes, the part with the Hulk in San Francisco is some of the best CGI I've ever seen in a movie.

[tina1979]

I have never seen the hulk. I have the movie at home and it is still in the wrapper.

[pisces2473]

LOL I will not see anything to do with the Hulk. When I was a little kid, the show freaked me out.

[Adam Strange]

Ah, but The Hulk's problem was the opposite of X3s problem. X3 was 2.5 hours of movie cramed into an hour and forty-five minutes. Hulk was an hour and a half of movie crammed into two and a half hours. And as far as the CGI goes, the part with the Hulk in San Francisco is some of the best CGI I've ever seen in a movie.

The CGI itself wasn’t bad; they just overplayed their hand. Like you said, it was an hour and a half of movie stretched into two and a half hours so the Hulk was bouncing around all kinds of realistic settings. Yoda in the second Star Wars trilogy and Golum in the Lord of the Rings and worked better because the settings were so fantastic, they simply blended in.

Call me old school but I want to believe in some movie magic. When I see a CGI scene, I want to doubt, just for a minute, that a computer had nothing to do with it. There were too many moments in the Hulk when the character so clearly looked animated. It’s like they weren’t even trying. That was also a problem with the first Spider-Man movie (I didn’t see the second): Action sequences that looked like they were coming from a Microsoft Xbox.

[ComicGeek]

You are al also forgetting the lesser known comic movies:
Aeon Flux, Ultraviolet, and Hellboy. There are other publishing houses besides DC and Marvel. My list of the 27 i remember seeing is as follows (just because i like it, doesn't mean it is a good movie. my comments of disappointment or enjoyment have no bearing on how good of a movie it was):

1. Sin City (It made me happy inside)
2. Batman Begins (apologizing for Joel Schumacher's destruction of Bob Kane's work.)
3. X-Men (They have just gone down hill since the first one.)
4. Hellboy (If you haven't seen it already, I highly recommend it.)
5. Batman (Nicholson was wonderful. Keaton was a good Batman, but a lousy Bruce Wayne.)
6. Spider-man 2 (Better writing than the first)
7. X2 (Intruducing new characters and barely developing them.)
8. The Punisher (I liked it)
9. The Hulk (Good until the end with Bruce Banner's father)
10. The Fantastic 4 (It hurt to watch them botch Dr. Doom's origins, but i can forgive it)
11. Batman Returns (suck out the Tim Burton and you might have a halfway decent Batman movie)
12. Superman 2 (What can I say? As much as i hate superman, it was a good movie)
13. Spider-man (the writing hurt me so)
14. Dare Devil (Michael Clark Duncan, Joe Pantoliano and Kevin Smith all did a good job. The rest of them were poorly cast for their rolls.)
15. Superman 3 (amazingly better than Superman)
16. X3 (Click for my Opinion (http://applegeeks.com/lite/index.php?aglitecomic=2006-06-07) though it is not my work)
17. Batman Forever (Go from Goth to Vegas Strip, then tell me that the resulting seizure was a mere hangover.)
18. Blade Trinity (Hilarious)
19. Ultraviolet (it was everything i expected it to be: a senseless display of comicesque violence, T and A, and i enjoyed every minute of it. That said, even i recognize it was a bad movie)
20. Blade 2 (Ron Pearlman made it worth seeing once... ever... on someone else's nickle...)
21. Aeon Flux (copy and past my response for Ultraviolet)
22. Blade (senseless blood and gore, though the actor playing the main villain did a good job.)
23. The Punisher {1989} (it has an excuse: it was the 80's and it starred Dolph Lundgren. In theaters for only 2 days for a reason, yet still not at the bottom of the list.)
24. Superman (he committed implausable crimes against the space/time continuum that I cannot forgive and they made Lex Luthor a buffoon)
25. Batman and Robin (I want my money back. I want my time back. I want everyone who payed money to see it to get their money back and sue for mental anguish.)
26. Catwoman (yes. I saw it and the makers had the decency to not even mention the name Selena Kyle in that piece of CRAP)
27. Elektra (It is hard to believe, but it was worse than Catwoman)