FBI Alert: 11 Egyptian Students in U.S. and Unaccounted For

[internut33]

Interesting......

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/08/fbi_approach_mi.html

[Jake536]

Wow! I am impressed that the FBI actually checked their school to see if they attended classes.

[SmilesSoSweet]

Wow! I am impressed that the FBI actually checked their school to see if they attended classes.

Yeah, now can the FBI focus on finding people that are on their most wanted list instead of wasting their time on this?

[PenforPrez]

Yeah, now can the FBI focus on finding people that are on their most wanted list instead of wasting their time on this?

Co-signed. Amen!

[and1grad]

Yeah, now can the FBI focus on finding people that are on their most wanted list instead of wasting their time on this?
I would agree but isnt this similar to the situation that led to 9/11?

[labrat2111]

I would agree but isnt this similar to the situation that led to 9/11?

I'd agree that this is something that should be looked into. I mean the fact that none of them have known ties to terrorism helps but still having 11 people just disappear into the US is a disquieting thought.

[Starsailor]

I agree. Can't just dismiss it as totally insignificant.

[paiger81]

I'd agree that this is something that should be looked into. I mean the fact that none of them have known ties to terrorism helps but still having 11 people just disappear into the US is a disquieting thought.

Agreed.

Though, if they really were terrorists, I would assume they'd come in 1 at a time, as opposed to all at once.

[Starsailor]

Well, if they are terrorists, they're pretending to be students, so why would there be a need to come in separately? Just a group of students coming from same country, perhaps through same program; wouldn't think that that in itself would be suspicious.

[paiger81]

Well, if they are terrorists, they're pretending to be students, so why would there be a need to come in separately? Just a group of students coming from same country, perhaps through same program; wouldn't think that that in itself would be suspicious.

I'm not saying they are pretending to be students. Most of the 'new generation' of terrorists are in their late teens early 20's, so it's possible that they are terrorists & students.

[Starsailor]

it's possible that they are terrorists & students.
True, hadn't considered that. But then they still wouldn't need to come in one at a time.

[Starsailor]

Question. According to the article, the men have, "at present, no known connections to any terrorist group." How do they even find something like that out? Ever? Are terrorists really going to use their real names or the same names?

[paiger81]

Question. According to the article, the men have, "at present, no known connections to any terrorist group." How do they even find something like that out? Ever? Are terrorists really going to use their real names or the same names?

Prolly not, but you could check bank accounts & see who they've been giving money to.

[SmilesSoSweet]

I would agree but isnt this similar to the situation that led to 9/11?

Yes, it is. But right now, I'd rather have the FBI focus on trying to find that Baseline Killer out here in Phoenix since now the Serial Shooters have been found.

[paiger81]

Yes, it is. But right now, I'd rather have the FBI focus on trying to find that Baseline Killer out here in Phoenix since now the Serial Shooters have been found.


Right, but I'm ok with having the mass amounts of folks working with the FBI, spread out on several projects, instead of focusing on just a few items.

[Starsailor]

But what if they are worth finding for reasons of terrorism (I'm sure plenty of people would want them found even if not, so they're not allowed to live here illegally, even if not committing other crimes)? Isn't it better to be safe than sorry, as long as not all of the FBI's resources are focused on this?

[shimma]

Wow! I am impressed that the FBI actually checked their school to see if they attended classes.

Since when the hell does cutting class make you a terrorist?

Signed,
Aging Osama

[PenforPrez]

Yes, it is. But right now, I'd rather have the FBI focus on trying to find that Baseline Killer out here in Phoenix since now the Serial Shooters have been found.

That too. I'd also rather have the FBI investigating the Republicans that Jack Abramoff paid off. Considering that Alberto Gonzales is their boss, fat chance of that ever happening. :sad: :mad:

Paul

[internut33]

Since when the hell does cutting class make you a terrorist?

11 of them cutting class makes one wonder. And if they have no plans
of going to school they probably have split up by now. Pretty sure that would be the case.

[labrat2111]

Question. According to the article, the men have, "at present, no known connections to any terrorist group." How do they even find something like that out? Ever? Are terrorists really going to use their real names or the same names?

Well I think Egypt is pretty strict on finding out who is a terrorist. They have a tendency to pull folks off the street and hold them and beat them to find out what they want to know and when they are done with you, you'll reappear. There is no habeas corpus in Egypt with their government.

Plus I knew one egyptian grad student back in 2000 and it is a very involved process for students to come over here. She told me they have a lot of paperwork and background checks before they can come over here. Once she was over here she had a family emergency that required her to go back to Egypt but she told me it wasn't an easy thing because once you go back to Egypt you can't come right back to the US. You have to drop out of school and all that and reapply next year to come back to the US.

[bleepbloop]

Since when the hell does cutting class make you a terrorist?

Signed,
Aging Osama


this is like the eighteenth time today I've laughed at something you posted. I feel it's time to recognize how brilliant you are! haha :)

[shimma]

this is like the eighteenth time today I've laughed at something you posted. I feel it's time to recognize how brilliant you are! haha :)

*takes a bow*

sorry guys, I didn't read the article. I used to cut class all the time w/my 3 middle eastern girlfriends, maybe I need to tell them we're all slackers for not having launched some terrorist attack. :(

[Jake536]

I agree also. I definatly was not trying to make a point that they are wasting time... lives could be at stake!

Agreed.

Though, if they really were terrorists, I would assume they'd come in 1 at a time, as opposed to all at once.

[internut33]

1 down, 10 to go:

http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/9654731/detail.html

[Illuminous]

What if they were all like, "hey you're egyptian!" on the plane and bonded and then decided to go to Atlantic City for some booze and gambling before class start Aug. 24? I'm glad people can jump to conclusions.

[internut33]

What if they were all like, "hey you're egyptian!" on the plane and bonded and then decided to go to Atlantic City for some booze and gambling before class start Aug. 24? I'm glad people can jump to conclusions.

I understand what you're saying. but you would say the exact opposite at a later date should this group had or does do something.

stay tuned, lets see where the rest are.

[tina1979]

well the way i see it is the FBI is screwed either way they do it. They take time out to investigate and people say they are wasting time. They don't investigate and something happens then everyone says why didn't you do something about it sooner.

I think this is a clear case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. of course thats just my opinion

oops...sorry internut...guess i missed what you said. :) great minds think alike though :huge:

[Illuminous]

I understand what you're saying. but you would say the exact opposite at a later date should this group had or does do something.

stay tuned, lets see where the rest are.


Oh, no, I dont think it's a bad thing the FBI is investigating. It makes sense. I'm more peeved at the people who are like, "11 egyptians? they MUST be jihadists! Damn all them Middle eastenr people. Let's close the borders!" No one said they were muslim, man. And I dont think the FBI ever presented it that way. From what I understand, they were violating their Visas, and they wnated to track them down on that. That's fine.

[internut33]

From what I understand, they were violating their Visas, and they wnated to track them down on that. That's fine.

Which when you look at it sends a good message.

If you're coming here for your valid reason, fine. If you dont show up for why your came here lets the rest of the world know we will follow up on you and kick ya back out. Not just say screw it let them wonder into thin air.

[SunDevil]

Aren't there a few million people here that hopped over the line in the sand on our southern border? We don't know where all of them are either.

I knew a Japanese guy who overstayed his Visa for a week because after finals he wanted to relax for a few days before packing up everything and getting on a plane. Now, the FBI would have picked him out of the swimming pool and put him on a plane.

Maybe if they had some other intel on these Egyptians, it would be a valid thing, but it seems like they are jumping the gun a little by warning the public at large.

[Illuminous]

Which when you look at it sends a good message.

If you're coming here for your valid reason, fine. If you dont show up for why your came here lets the rest of the world know we will follow up on you and kick ya back out. Not just say screw it let them wonder into thin air.

uhm. that is what I'm saying.

My main problem with a lot of people is the assumption that these guys are terrorists. Or anyone with a brown face is a terrorist. Yes, they violated their visas. BIG nono these days. Good for the FBI for doing stuff about it. Thorns on the people that assume because they're Egyptian they're crazy assed jihadists looking to bomb something. That's been my main problem with this whole damn country since 2001. I appreciate increased security and all that shit. We SHOULD have it. but for god sakes, there are christian egyptians. You are'nt born in Iraq or Egypt or the Middle East and forced into fundamental islam. You aren't forced to associate with Bin Laden, so stop making assumptions about people.

It angers me as much as it angers me when people tell me I speak English really well. I grew up in the US asshat.

But we've had this argument before, and it's clear that some people are going to be prejudiced. I'll leave it at that.

[stonemonkey]

It angers me as much as it angers me when people tell me I speak English really well. I grew up in the US asshat.


Oh man, that shits me to tears when I get that. It's like getting asked "So, WHAT are you?"

[ScottyTheBody]

Oh man I'm losing a lot of respect for posters on this topic...

This is so insanely stupid...

If someone is Middle Eastern doesn't imply terrorist
If someone is Muslim doesn't imply terrorist
If someone has been missing for 11 days or whatever does not imply terrorist

Terrorists have been around long before 9/11 and terrorists do not have a particular ethnicity and terrorists do not have a particular religion. Don't be afraid of terrorists because the odds of being killed by a terrorist is so small (right above spontaneously combusting). In fact, you are more likely to be struck by lightning on a sunny day.

The media has way too much power over a lot of people.

[SmilesSoSweet]

It angers me as much as it angers me when people tell me I speak English really well. I grew up in the US asshat.

I get that a lot here. Especially when I'm talking to consultants and clients on the phone, then I met them in person. And since moving out to AZ I've gotten it a whole lot. The whole, "well you don't have an accent." I've lived in the states since I was 11 months old! Non-Caucasians can also speak proper English and be raised here!

[and1grad]

I'm kinda over the whole who can be a terrorist rhetoric so I'll just keep it simple. Nowadays, doing something to so readily jeopardize your status on a student visa is just plain stupid. ANYONE who's ever been thru getting a visa to this country knows it wasnt exactly easy BEFORE 9/11 and NOW? Forget about it. So when someone does something like that, you'd be foolish to not question whats going on. When you have a large GROUP of people who've done that, you'd be derelict to not look into it. We can all wave our little banners and stand on our soapboxes about how everyone is a racist but the fact of the matter is this is what the FBI is SUPPOSED to be doing.

[HereComes30]

3 college students arrested....

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/09/D8JD6QVG0.html

[ScottyTheBody]

I'm kinda over the whole who can be a terrorist rhetoric so I'll just keep it simple. Nowadays, doing something to so readily jeopardize your status on a student visa is just plain stupid. ANYONE who's ever been thru getting a visa to this country knows it wasnt exactly easy BEFORE 9/11 and NOW? Forget about it. So when someone does something like that, you'd be foolish to not question whats going on. When you have a large GROUP of people who've done that, you'd be derelict to not look into it. We can all wave our little banners and stand on our soapboxes about how everyone is a racist but the fact of the matter is this is what the FBI is SUPPOSED to be doing.

Ah yes. Jeopardizing your status on a student visa is just plain stupid. Should this be looked into? Well probably, I mean if they look into every person who readily jeopardize's their status on a student visa then yes of course they should exam this.

My problem is when people were supposing these people were terrorists.

[paiger81]

My problem is when people were supposing these people were terrorists.

I was not "supposing" I simply said I felt it could be possible. And like And1 stated, if you do something you know is wrong, then it should be looked into.

[Illuminous]

Ah yes. Jeopardizing your status on a student visa is just plain stupid. Should this be looked into? Well probably, I mean if they look into every person who readily jeopardize's their status on a student visa then yes of course they should exam this.

My problem is when people were supposing these people were terrorists.

This is my point. I dont think I have ever said they shouldn't have gone looking for the dudes. I understand that they were. I'm more pissed off at the public. I don't see why that is so hard to understand. I'm not waving a racist banner at the FBI, And1, I'm waving a racist banner at the asshat citizens who think because they're egyptian they're terrorists. The FBI never said they were terrorists, they jsut said htey voilated their Visas and that is what one of the 9/11 hijackers did.

[lighthouse4life]

I'm not saying they are pretending to be students. Most of the 'new generation' of terrorists are in their late teens early 20's, so it's possible that they are terrorists & students.

'New generation of terrorists"... sounds like a marketing term. I think they are just teens with a chip on their shoulders, feeling massive frustration, and a skewed sense of reality -in addition to a totally biased understanding of their own religion(s).

[lighthouse4life]

I get that a lot here. Especially when I'm talking to consultants and clients on the phone, then I met them in person. And since moving out to AZ I've gotten it a whole lot. The whole, "well you don't have an accent." I've lived in the states since I was 11 months old! Non-Caucasians can also speak proper English and be raised here!

This annoys me so much. I immediately become put off when someone comes up to speak to me and starts off their conversation with a question like "Do you speak my language?" or "Do you understand English?".

To which I'd just love to answer: "Sure. I can speak your language. The question is - could you speak all of mine??" Hahah, that would be funny.

I mean, why don't they just talk and see if I respond in like? It makes me upset. Of course, if they notice that, then all of a sudden I am "the angry-looking nonresponsive immigrant-type". Bigoted people, oh my...