RED ALERT - Airline Threat Thwarted in England

[HereComes30]

I just saw this online.... Apparently there are serious threats and a plane bombing was thwarted in England. England on Red Alert and the US Threat level for airline flight raised. Not allowing hand cremes and similar products on carry ons. Any latest news? Reactions? Thoughts?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/10/us.security/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/10/us.terror.threat.text.ap/index.html

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/10/D8JDHCLG0.html

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1230417,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4778575.stm

[winneythepooh7]

Honestly, this stuff doesn't really phase me anymore. Living in NYC, it's just a part of my everyday life now. If something is going to happen, something is going to happen regardless of all this extra security and such. I want to go to Europe on my honeymoon since I've never been, and we are hearing from both sets of parents about what a "horrible idea" this is right now because of everything going on in the world today :rolleyes: . I think a lot of this is just media hype.

[HereComes30]

I agree there is a lot of media hype....but this is a little more substantial than hype. This isn't someone got through the metal detector with a nail file or a guy with a mental illness rushed the cockpit and banged on the door. This is arrests made of people with REAL plans and REAL agendas and on the verge of action that would have made 9/11 look minor in comparison.

[blueyes]

My SO's in Edinburgh until Monday. I got an email from him earlier this morning: things are of course a little squirrelly over there, but people are being rational from what he's telling me. Which is good - getting scared and becoming irrational accomplishes one of the primary terrorist goals.

[winneythepooh7]

My SO's in Edinburgh until Monday. I got an email from him earlier this morning: things are of course a little squirrelly over there, but people are being rational from what he's telling me. Which is good - getting scared and becoming irrational accomplishes one of the primary terrorist goals.


I totally agree. If I'm going to get blown up, just let it happen naturally. I am not going to waste my last moments glued to a TV making myself crazy :rolleyes: .

[enigma]

The guy I'm dating is in the UK for another few weeks. Luckily he is flying out of Scotland. I definitley think it is scary over there now, but I think this is just going to be the standard for awhile.

[BlueEyedFunOne]

I have a 6:45am flight to Chicago tomorrow (celebrating for my bday!)...and I'm tempted to just go camp out at the airport tonight :googly:

[blueyes]

Luckily he is flying out of Scotland....think this is just going to be the standard for awhile.
Pretty much - BBC and CNN and my SO are all saying that Scotland's just having some massive delays, but everyone's being calm and rational about the whole situation.

This isn't truly all that awful - just think: if you have nothing to read or do on the flight, you can catch up on sleep, or write that novel in your head, or compose a new song, or any number of weird - but possible - things. Sure, it might inconvenience those with legitimate work which needs accomplished, but I'm fairly certain that you can put up with it for safety's sake.

[Tenshi28]

If flying has been a nightmare aftwer 9/11, it's going to be even worse after this. :frustrate

So good they got them though, from what I am reading they were planning on doing an incredible massacre.

[old_school_soul]

This whole "No liquids in the cabin" thing is fucked. How am I supposed to bring a bottle of in-flight rum on my flight to Vegas in 2 weeks?

[Winter Storm]

This whole "No liquids in the cabin" thing is fucked. How am I supposed to bring a bottle of in-flight rum on my flight to Vegas in 2 weeks?

Guess you better get the real BIG jar of anal lube this time.

[SmilesSoSweet]

This whole "No liquids in the cabin" thing is fucked. How am I supposed to bring a bottle of in-flight rum on my flight to Vegas in 2 weeks?

I think if it's still sealed/never opened then it's okay. But you can't even bring that cup of joe through the security line anymore.

On the local news they were showing people at the airport throwing away shampoos, colognes, toothpastes, etc. And the security lines are long too.

[PenforPrez]

I agree there is a lot of media hype....but this is a little more substantial than hype.

I was sick of hearing about 9/11 on 9/12, quite frankly. Now they have 9/11 movies coming out, and it irritates me to the point that I want to throw things at my TV when I see commercials for them.

I've long believed the media far overhypes terrorism to hide the crimes in this country they don't want us to look at. They'll blow up any terror plot, but they let the Jack Abramoff scandal die in the press, which is the biggest political scandal since Watergate. And massive anti-Bush, anti-war protests overseas (by hundreds of thousands)? Never a word. Just makes me mad. :mad:

Paul

[HereComes30]

Or that there were as many Democrats involved with Jack Abramoff as republicans....but that is another thread altogether

[cheshrcarol]

I was sick of hearing about 9/11 on 9/12, quite frankly. Well maybe you were sick of it, but on 9/12 some of us were scared out of our minds for our friends and family that we couldn't get in touch with and couldn't get enough information on what was going on. Oh yeah, and God forbid the media cover the biggest act of terrorism on American soil ever. Much better to bury the story in favor of a political scandal. :googly:

[paiger81]

I was sick of hearing about 9/11 on 9/12, quite frankly. Now they have 9/11 movies coming out, and it irritates me to the point that I want to throw things at my TV when I see commercials for them.

What should we have done? Ignored it & gone on with our lives?? 9/11 was our Pearl Harbor.

[meatwad]

I've long believed the media far overhypes terrorism to hide the crimes in this country they don't want us to look at. They'll blow up any terror plot, but they let the Jack Abramoff scandal die in the press, which is the biggest political scandal since Watergate. And massive anti-Bush, anti-war protests overseas (by hundreds of thousands)? Never a word. Just makes me mad. :mad:

Paul

BULLSHIT! For almost two years they kept showing protests of the US and Bush on the nightly news and internet news stories! Never a word? Do you actually WATCH the news?

[PenforPrez]

BULLSHIT! For almost two years they kept showing protests of the US and Bush on the nightly news and internet news stories! Never a word? Do you actually WATCH the news?

I watch the news every night, and I don't remember it that way. Maybe I'm wrong; I usually am.

[shimma]

I was sick of hearing about 9/11 on 9/12, quite frankly. Now they have 9/11 movies coming out, and it irritates me to the point that I want to throw things at my TV when I see commercials for them. Well maybe you were sick of it, but on 9/12 some of us were scared out of our minds for our friends and family that we couldn't get in touch with and couldn't get enough information on what was going on. :googly:

Seriously. Jeezy Chreezy, what an ignorant thing to say. Do you have ANY idea to not know for hours or days if your loved ones are alive or dead?! It's an even worse feeling than knowing that someone actually is dead.

How would you have felt if it had been St. Louis that was attacked? You should have been counting your lucky stars that you and your family were SAFE that day, not bitching about the TV programming. :googly:

[SmilesSoSweet]

I was sick of hearing about 9/11 on 9/12, quite frankly.

Hearing the news all day the next day after Sept. 11 is typical. I didn't mind the coverage of Sept. 11 for the next few days afterwards. I mean this was the biggest terrorist attacks on US soil ever, so yeah, coverage the day after I don't get how you could be sick of hearing it less than 24 hours laters. My brother had just started grad school at NYU and wasn't too far from the WTC towers. So here I am and my family on the West Coast feeling helpless because we couldn't do anything to make sure our brother and a handful of other relatives were alright.

By the end of the week, after being glued to the TV for days, I decided it was best for me to turn of the TV and go out and have some dinner. I just needed a break from it, though I was still watching the coverage when I got back home.

I still think what they did today was a good thing. Would you rather them not make a big deal about it, not let those that are traveling via plane today not know about it and something else happens. I know the media tends to over do it sometimes. But I'd rather them over do important stuff like terrorist plots than spend alll their time on stupid celebrity break ups and stuff like that.

[winneythepooh7]

You don't HAVE to watch news coverage or movies like World Trade Center. But keep in mind, that MANY of us were affected closely by these events (and still may be) so to say that 9/11 doesn't matter, is cruel and thoughtless. The WHOLE WORLD has changed IMHO because of September 11th. And it's still changing, and not for the better.

[BlueEyedFunOne]

Sure this is all a huge inconvenience, people are frustrated and annoyed, etc.

But what if the plot actually took place and hundreds of people were killed? Then everyone would be complaining that not enough precautions were taken, that the system in completely ineffective, etc etc.

So suck it up. Put your toiletries in your checked baggage and be happy that something is being done to keep us safer.

[winneythepooh7]

Sure this is all a huge inconvenience, people are frustrated and annoyed, etc.

But what if the plot actually took place and hundreds of people were killed? Then everyone would be complaining that not enough precautions were taken, that the system in completely ineffective, etc etc.

So suck it up. Put your toiletries in your checked baggage and be happy that something is being done to keep us safer.


I think that most of us are aware of this and are not "complaining". This is the world we live in today. We need to do what we have to do.

[BlueEyedFunOne]

I'm a bit fiesty today...watch out :huge: :surprised

[HereComes30]

The WHOLE WORLD has changed IMHO because of September 11th. And it's still changing, and not for the better.

And frankly the world had been changing before 9/11 but we were clueless about it till reality smacked us in the face. WTC was attacked before, our embassies attacked, USS Cole attacked, etc along with global terrorism and yet we didn't think that we were at war. We were and just didn't want to acknowledge it. You would think we would have learned our lessons from Pearl Harbor and WWII.

I still think we should be showing what happened to WTC... too many people have forgot who did this to us. Too many have forgotten about the sacrifices made that day. IMO

I think the other benefit to showing big terror breakups like this is to send a message to the terrorists... "you think you are good...but we are better...we will stop you...we will not stand idly by anymore..." And of course we all know that if this information was not shared with the general public, the governments of the US and England would be beat up for not sharing information.

[shimma]

You don't HAVE to watch news coverage or movies like World Trade Center. But keep in mind, that MANY of us were affected closely by these events (and still may be) so to say that 9/11 doesn't matter, is cruel and thoughtless. The WHOLE WORLD has changed IMHO because of September 11th. And it's still changing, and not for the better.

Anyone else think that movie is in very poor taste, seeing how the wound is still so fresh? I don't plan to see it.

[winneythepooh7]

And frankly the world had been changing before 9/11 but we were clueless about it till reality smacked us in the face. WTC was attacked before, our embassies attacked, USS Cole attacked, etc along with global terrorism and yet we didn't think that we were at war. We were and just didn't want to acknowledge it. You would think we would have learned our lessons from Pearl Harbor and WWII.

I still think we should be showing what happened to WTC... too many people have forgot who did this to us. Too many have forgotten about the sacrifices made that day. IMO

I think the other benefit to showing big terror breakups like this is to send a message to the terrorists... "you think you are good...but we are better...we will stop you...we will not stand idly by anymore..." And of course we all know that if this information was not shared with the general public, the governments of the US and England would be beat up for not sharing information.

Well, some of us were also very young when some of these events happened, so of course it's not going to be as big of an issue as 9/11. Additionally, I can personally say that I have not forgotten about 9/11. I was on 15th Street in Manhattan the day it happened. My family could not initially get ahold of me. I still work in Manhattan. Personally speaking though, I don't feel that I benefit from having FOX5 news play coverage about 9/11 24/7. I am not going to be forgetting about 9/11 anytime soon regardless of what is blasted across my TV. If that makes me a horrible person, oh freakin' well :googly: .

[HereComes30]

I am not going to be forgetting about 9/11 anytime soon regardless of what is blasted across my TV. If that makes me a horrible person, oh freakin' well

Many like you have not...too many elsewhere have though IMO. Maybe we can do targeted broadcasts.

Live feed on CNN.com by the way of President addressing the nation.

[paiger81]

Shim-

I didn't see Flight 93, simply cause it's hypothetical, we only know parts of what happened up there.

I will see WTC, simply cause it is the story of what happened to those men.

BTW, did anybody see how because of the movie, they found the "Sgt. Thomas" that had helped rescue them, yet he disappeared after the rescue? Turns out he was a officer from Ohio who was visiting family that week & just decided to suit up & help. Went back to Ohio & never realized he was being looked for.

[HereComes30]

Correction....apparently the let me view it for X amount of time and now want me to pay to actually see the press conference

[biodork]

Anyone else think that movie is in very poor taste, seeing how the wound is still so fresh? I don't plan to see it.
Me. I won't be seeing it either.

[shimma]

Shim-

I didn't see Flight 93, simply cause it's hypothetical, we only know parts of what happened up there.

I will see WTC, simply cause it is the story of what happened to those men.

BTW, did anybody see how because of the movie, they found the "Sgt. Thomas" that had helped rescue them, yet he disappeared after the rescue? Turns out he was a officer from Ohio who was visiting family that week & just decided to suit up & help. Went back to Ohio & never realized he was being looked for.

Interesting.

I'm right now calling all over Europe to make sure my parents (on vaca) aren't dead, so I'm a little pissy this AM.

[winneythepooh7]

Many like you have not...too many elsewhere have though IMO. Maybe we can do targeted broadcasts.

Live feed on CNN.com by the way of President addressing the nation.

Look, people reacted to 9/11 and continue to react to world events in different ways. Just because people aren't sitting around glued to their TV's or personally having a conversation with you to validate that they still think about 9/11, does not mean they are not still thinking about it. I personally feel that we don't need to have the media shoving things down our throats to have views or reactions to it.

[winneythepooh7]

Anyone else think that movie is in very poor taste, seeing how the wound is still so fresh? I don't plan to see it.

I can't say if it's in poor taste or not, but I personally won't be seeing it.

[SmilesSoSweet]

BTW, did anybody see how because of the movie, they found the "Sgt. Thomas" that had helped rescue them, yet he disappeared after the rescue? Turns out he was a officer from Ohio who was visiting family that week & just decided to suit up & help. Went back to Ohio & never realized he was being looked for.

I heard about that in the news last night. Supposedly is he played by a Caucasian guy in the movie but he's really of some other ethnicity.

I doubt I'll watch it. For one, I don't watch movies anymore and two, I just think it's too fresh of a wound to be watching something like this. Now if Oliver Stone said something like the proceeds from this movie will be donated to X charities or something, that might be a reason to see it.

And another example (even though we didn't have the technology then that we do now). It's like making a movie on Pearl Harbor only five years after it happened. I wouldn't see it.

[cheshrcarol]

I am not going to be forgetting about 9/11 anytime soon regardless of what is blasted across my TV.I feel exactly the same way. I never felt the need to see the WTC site afterwards. I have seen it, once because I stumbled on it looking for the subway and once because I was with others that wanted to go there. I just never felt like I needed to see it and make that connection. I will always remember that day for as long as I live. And maybe it's different for NYers. Not that I live in NYC, but at the time I was spending every weekend there, had been to the WTC the week before it happened, and have a ton of ties to the area.

ETA: Regarding the movie I doubt I could sit through the whole thing, especially in a theater. Just the commercials make me choke up remembering everything.

[Orca]

I'm right now calling all over Europe to make sure my parents (on vaca) aren't dead, so I'm a little pissy this AM.
Chill! No-one has died and unless your parents are at Heathrow airport right now they will not even be inconvenienced at the present time. Note that the plot has been FOILED. Nothing has happened apart from increased security causing delays at airports and I'm sure standing in a line waiting won't kill your parents.

[SmilesSoSweet]

I feel exactly the same way. I never felt the need to see the WTC site afterwards. I have seen it, once because I stumbled on it looking for the subway and once because I was with others that wanted to go there. I just never felt like I needed to see it and make that connection. I will always remember that day for as long as I live. And maybe it's different for NYers. Not that I live in NYC, but at the time I was spending every weekend there, had been to the WTC the week before it happened, and have a ton of ties to the area.

ETA: Regarding the movie I doubt I could sit through the whole thing, especially in a theater. Just the commercials make me choke up remembering everything.

I never had the chance to see the WTC before Sept. 11. I wish I had. I did get to see the site afterwards as I was in town a couple years later for my brother's grad school graduation. My family wanted to see it. We also realized just how close our brother was living to it. I just can't believe how those two towers could stand in that limited place.

[lighthouse4life]

You don't HAVE to watch news coverage or movies like World Trade Center. But keep in mind, that MANY of us were affected closely by these events (and still may be) so to say that 9/11 doesn't matter, is cruel and thoughtless. The WHOLE WORLD has changed IMHO because of September 11th. And it's still changing, and not for the better.

It's valid to talk about it for a few months because obviously it was a tragedy. But years later it is being used to maintain people in a state of antagonism and fear, instead of promoting healing and allowing people to lead their lives. It is equally unfair to keep encouraging americans to point the finger at certain groups in the name of their 9-11 loss and grief.

[winneythepooh7]

It's valid to talk about it for a few months because obviously it was a tragedy. But years later it is being used to maintain people in a state of antagonism and fear, instead of promoting healing and allowing people to lead their lives. It is equally unfair to keep encouraging americans to point the finger at certain groups in the name of their 9-11 loss and grief.

I'm not saying that it should constantly be discussed. Many people especially personally affected don't want to keep discussing it. There's nothing wrong with that.

[coll214]

I doubt I'll watch it. For one, I don't watch movies anymore and two, I just think it's too fresh of a wound to be watching something like this. Now if Oliver Stone said something like the proceeds from this movie will be donated to X charities or something, that might be a reason to see it.
Actually opening weekend I believe he's donating a certain percentage of the profits to 9/11 charities. I"m honestly on the fence about seeing it. On one hand it does seem too soon and the other it's one way to commemorate the heroes of that time.

[cheshrcarol]

I never had the chance to see the WTC before Sept. 11. I wish I had. I did get to see the site afterwards as I was in town a couple years later for my brother's grad school graduation. My family wanted to see it. We also realized just how close our brother was living to it. I just can't believe how those two towers could stand in that limited place.My best friend moved to NYC (Staten Island to be exact) about a month or two before 9/11. From where he lived you could see the towers, and when you took the ferry back and forth, they pretty much defined the view the entire way. We'd been doing a lot of sight seeing to get him acquainted with the city and a week before 9/11 we decided to go to the WTC. First we had trouble finding it and kept wandering around the different buildings down there (which is kind of funny) and when we got there decided it was too expensive to go all the way up. I'd already done it years before and he figured we'd just go another time. 8 days later I was on the phone with him while he watched them collapse.

Stuff like that kind of teaches you to not put things off. Also, another reason why I get so upset about everything is that he was supposed to be there that day to eat at Windows on the World (restaurant near the top of one of the towers) with his family, but had been running late.

[wordsmith]

I'll definitely be seeing the Oliver Stone movie, based on what I've seen of it and what I've read of it.

[summergold]

I'm not saying that it should constantly be discussed. Many people especially personally affected don't want to keep discussing it. There's nothing wrong with that.

I agree. It's always hard to measure how much something should be talked about. Take the Holocaust for example. We must never forget it, but how do you do that without talking about it. The fact is that the attacks on 9-11 have become a part of the fabric of our country. Just like every event that has caused such sweeping change. It's a part of who we are and part of how the rest of the world defines us. To simply ignore this would be similar to ignoring the Civil Rights Movement, the Civil War, or the Revolutionary War. Events and movements that have brought immense change to our country. We teach about these in school. The reason that you still hear about 9-11 with such prevalence is that we are still feeling the aftershocks.

[shimma]

Chill! No-one has died and unless your parents are at Heathrow airport right now they will not even be inconvenienced at the present time. Note that the plot has been FOILED. Nothing has happened apart from increased security causing delays at airports and I'm sure standing in a line waiting won't kill your parents.

A) don't tell me how to fucking feel; and
B) waiting in line will indeed, kill my impatient parents. ;)

[Orca]

B) waiting in line will indeed, kill my impatient parents. ;)
In which case, please advise them not to leave their home in future. You never know when a line may form at a supermarket or something.

Have you thought about treatment for hysteria?