Ciderhill!

[yankeeyosh]

Your PM box is full :)

[Ciderhillnh]

Thanks give me a second and it will be clean.

[Syracuse]

I'll clean it fo ya, :D

[Ciderhillnh]

um.....ewwwe.

PM box is all set.

[Syracuse]

um.....ewwwe.

PM box is all set.
Ready for me to fill it up again? :D

[Ciderhillnh]

Please stop harassing me with sexual innuendos.

[wordsmith]

For the love of God, can somebody please post something with a point, more than once a day or so?

Am I the only person who remembers when the boards used to have a good amount of intelligent conversation, rather than thread upon thread of pointless blather?

[pisces2473]

For the love of God, can somebody please post something with a point, more than once a day or so?

Am I the only person who remembers when the boards used to have a good amount of intelligent conversation, rather than thread upon thread of pointless blather?
I remember those days.

Have we actually ran out of real topics to discuss?

Does anyone remember when there would be 100s of people on the boards, and if you missed a day of posts, you had PAGES to go through? Seems like there's only a handful of people online these days, and only a page of new posts...

[Ciderhillnh]

Um, there have been many other threads posted telling people that their PM box is full....why exactly is this one being singled out?

[UMaineBlackBear]

I remember those days.

Have we actually ran out of real topics to discuss?

Does anyone remember when there would be 100s of people on the boards, and if you missed a day of posts, you had PAGES to go through? Seems like there's only a handful of people online these days, and only a page of new posts...

Perhaps that's because it's filled with people jumping down folks' throats because of past transgressions.

If you want there to be new, intriguing conversation, stop dragging someones past history into their current threads where it does not belong.

Just a thought.

[wordsmith]

Um, there have been many other threads posted telling people that their PM box is full....why exactly is this one being singled out?

The request to clean out your PM box isn't the pointless blather to which I was referring. Don't worry about it. And don't be so sure I wasn't referring to Syracuse. :)

[wordsmith]

Perhaps that's because it's filled with people jumping down folks' throats because of past transgressions.

If you want there to be new, intriguing conversation, stop dragging someones past history into their current threads where it does not belong.

Just a thought.

I hope you can get past my dragging up the history/past transgression where you were banned a day or so ago for posting somebody's photograph and making vulgar, insulting personal comments.

Just a thought.

[Ciderhillnh]

Um...people post vulger and insulting personal comments to me....even had one person tell me to drink bleach......and it would be a better place if I killed myself.

Just felt its relevant that things like that take place here all the time, only seems some people are called out on it while others are not.

[pisces2473]

I had been refraining myself from reading Cider's posts, nevermind replying to them. But I have to speak up.

Cider--No one ever got personal with you. No one ever posted your pics on this site without your permission. Someone got personal with me. That's the difference.

Also, my comments to Wordsmith's posts had nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

[Ciderhillnh]

Right so when you post about the deplorable conditions that my grandmother lives in and how I have to deal with it....or when you start threads specfically as satire about my life and what I do, those arent personal at all.

While I agree its not a picture, its still personal and insulting and hurtful.

And if your comments had nothing to do with this thread
A) why post them in it why not talk over PM
B) you've never posted anything like this in any other thread telling someone their PM box is full yet you choose to do it here in one speaking out to me....rather convenient.

[pisces2473]

Right so when you post about the deplorable conditions that my grandmother lives in and how I have to deal with it....or when you start threads specfically as satire about my life and what I do, those arent personal at all.

While I agree its not a picture, its still personal and insulting and hurtful.

And if your comments had nothing to do with this thread
A) why post them in it why not talk over PM
B) you've never posted anything like this in any other thread telling someone their PM box is full yet you choose to do it here in one speaking out to me....rather convenient.
While yes, they were meant as a jab toward you, I never named you or made any reference to you. This is this difference.

I can post a reply to wherever I want. So can anyone. Threads get off topic all of the time. I don't want to take it to PM about the train wreck this board is quickly becoming.

As for your B), that's simply untrue. It has nothing to do with you. I was simply agreeing with Wordsmith. Maybe you should be mad at her, she started the thread-jack.

[Ciderhillnh]

Im actually taking it up with both of you since you are the only 2 talking about how the boards have deteriorated.

My point is, if personal jabs are not acceptable amongst posters, why is a mod posting jabs that are hurtful about another posters family members? You didnt have to name me, you named my user handle and made reference to my grandmother.

yes you can post a reply wherever you want to, but you also ask that members take it to PM if its something that isnt relevant to a thread......just because you are a mod doesnt mean the rules dont apply to you as well.

[pisces2473]

Im actually taking it up with both of you since you are the only 2 talking about how the boards have deteriorated.

My point is, if personal jabs are not acceptable amongst posters, why is a mod posting jabs that are hurtful about another posters family members? You didnt have to name me, you named my user handle and made reference to my grandmother.

yes you can post a reply wherever you want to, but you also ask that members take it to PM if its something that isnt relevant to a thread......just because you are a mod doesnt mean the rules dont apply to you as well.
I don't know--maybe it's because the people who used to be frequent posters have left? They don't like things around here, I don't know...?

I am sorry for making jabs at you. It was not appropriate not only as a mod, but as a QLCer.

We have only asked that things get taken to PM when it's on the absurd and ridiculous, and by certain posters who are then talked to privately.

Maybe Wordsmith wanted to start a conversation about the boards? I don't know. I don't feel that I was wrong to reply to her, or that I wasn't following the rules. I wasn't being "trollish" or picking on anyone.

BTW, I just did some research. Cider, the person who told you to drink bleach was banned...so you can't really claim a double-standard on that one.

[Ciderhillnh]

Thank you for apologizing, I appreciate that.

Personally I think people have left because they feel its very cliquey here, and its a LOT of complaining. While I understand we all have things to complain about the bulk of the posts are to bitch or complain about something and that negativity wears on anyone if its constant.

While you cant prevent people from becoming friends or forming some cliques, it can be an environment where people who are regular posters make NEW people feel welcome and involved and included.

The worst part is when someone has a different lifestyle or thought or experience, it seems that posts turn from thought sharing to attacking the person who is thinking differently.

When many minds come together you are going to have many different ideas. While we might not all agree, at least it gives the OP a chance to paruse over many different schools of thought and decide to do whats best for them.

Yes they were banned, but only after I brought it to a mods attention. It wasnt even noticed or picked up as something off.

[wordsmith]

Hold up. I could do this on PM, but I don't have a problem with the boards as a whole knowing what's going on. The conflicts that this entire situation is bringing up are past being a private matter, they affect the boards as a whole, because you have people you know in life coming on and harrassing other people in the name of "watching your back," posting photos of them and calling them obscene names. Then, when they are banned, reregistering, doubtless to continue their harrassment. That's really not right, and THAT made this issue public. Just so you know. I'm sorry your friend decided he needed to come on and "fight battles" or some similar crap.

I've never made a personal jab at you. I've never targeted you as a moderator. I've never banned you, even temporarily. I'm not out to get you. I know you think Jen has been and is, and the truth is, she's acknowledged that she was wrong to start a thread baiting you, and that it was an inappropriate action.

What have I done to you, cider, since you seem to have such a problem with me? I've argued with you on many things where I thought you were wrong, and I'll continue to do so, so if I stay on these boards, I suggest you get used to my disputing you when I think you're wrong, same as any other poster here. It's not likely to end, no matter how many cries of "I'm so picked on" you want to make. Somebody arguing with you is just something you'd better get used to. I was a QLC poster for years before I was a moderator, and I don't refrain from dressing anybody down when they post trollishness, intended only to lie and inflame. I'm not going to stop addressing people, appropriately, without vulgarity or insults, as I see fit, because as a moderator, I'm somehow not supposed to.

These boards are important to me, are an important resource, and something I've always thought highly of and had a personal stake in helping to run. I DON'T appreciate them turning into something dumb and pointless because of inflammatory posters who add very little of value to the site. And I DO want to start a dialogue on what's happening, why there is so little but stupid immaturity going down. I'm not interested in taking it to PM, I'm interested in 52 cards on the table.

BTW, I'm copying this thread, so if Mark comes back and deletes the entire thing, as he inevitably will, there will be proof it existed.

[pisces2473]

Nevermind, I read it all wrong, Words.

But yes, I think this needs to be discussed.

[wordsmith]

I didn't say you did, Jen, I said that that's what her perception seems to be.

[embrassezla]

you have people you know in life coming on and harrassing other people in the name of "watching your back," posting photos of them and calling them obscene names.
Wow, that seems like a lot of effort. I have to echo <deleted> then - why not just find another message board? Nothing personal, just pure curiosity. Why go to all the trouble?

EDIT: Oh, the comment I refered to was deleted. I basically am saying the same thing here, hope it isn't out of line.

[Kitty]

God, I am so sick of this!!!!

[Ciderhillnh]

Words, you are making claims that you have no proof of. As I explaine to you over PM, I told my friend about the board, he in turn signed up on his own. He posted his own thuoghts. I never told him to harass or bother anyone, nor would I.
Having been the target of teasing and being ostrasized most of my childhood years, I would never tell someone to do that and put another person in the postion I held growing up.

Accuse all you want, but I think you are trying to place blame because you think Im this inherant aweful person who schemes and looks for ways to cause riots on this board.

My friends are not robots, they think and do on their own accord, and if my friend decided that he wanted to stand up for me, that was HIS decision and not something that he discussed with me prior.
ALso isnt that what being a friend is about? Sticking up for those you care abuot? Maybe not in such a brash manner, but standing up none the less.

Words, I have never made claim that you have personally jabbed or made comments about me, where you get that from I have no idea.

If you look at my post, I acknowledged Jens apology and said I appreciated it.

I have no problem if you want to talk about what you think is wrong or dont agree with, but I dont think it needs to be done in such a manner that its an all out battle.

Wasnt our generation the one that spoke of tolerance of others thoughts, opinions, religion, race, creed.......shouldnt that apply here as well?
YOu can disagree with me or think Im wrong, Im always willing to talk about it, but Im not willing to FIGHT about it. Its just a matter than anyone posting should feel even if people dont agree with them, that they are still respected.

As a mod its expected that you are here to keep the peace and oversee things. It also means, that you need to take an unbias stance on any issue. You cant let your emotions come into it, think of it as you're being a judge with a jury and courtroom. Its expected that you will be holding yourself to the same standards that you hold the board memebers too.

[yankeeyosh]

I am SICK and TIRED of all this bashing. I am EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED in many of you. You people always boast and brag about your maturity...yet you have not shown ANYTHING resembling maturity when it comes to handling certain posters.

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I support Cider all the way, and have absolutely no problem with what she has to say. There are people on this board...even "regulars", who have said many things that are so far fetched, so out of this world, yet no one has said anything about it...mostly because the clues are scattered about, and no one has picked them up (other than me). However, a person who tells it like it is...a person who is direct...says something that might seem a little questionable...and that person gets hounded. I've seen FAR, FAR worse on these boards than what Cider said. FAR worse.

I admit, I hounded a couple of times before. But I deeply regret doing it...it was mostly getting caught up in the fervor. It's very uncalled for.

I am FED UP with this, and I want this to stop. I am not the most eloquent person...I have trouble conveying my thoughts...and I certainly dont' have the most common sense, but I can read between the lines, and I know what my stand on this is.

[Syracuse]

I feel the endtimes are upon us.