Trying to Eat Better

[PenforPrez]

Something I've been worried about lately is eating better. I freely admit I don't eat right. Food is the one vice I have. I don't do drugs or guns or booze or casual sex or cigarettes. Caffeine and masturbation really don't count. :rolleyes:

I'm worried about it because I've gained weight since I started my current job. I walk a lot, but it's not having as much effect as I'd like. Anytime my parents go grocery shopping, my mother always asks me what I want to eat. I never know. I knew I needed to just go to the store and look for myself. So this afternoon, I stopped at the Wal-Mart Supercenter on the way home while I was out and looked at things to eat.

I was looking at good things to eat, but I wanted bad things to eat. Knowing I was going to get both, I decided that for every bad thing I got, I would get one good thing.

I started off with a big bag of Doritos. Very tasty, but not healthy.
Good thing: Five pound bag of apples. I love apples. :)

Did it again.

Good thing: Lima beans. I love lima beans.
Bad thing: Eight pound sack of french fries. Hey, it was $6. I'm trying to learn value shopping. :rolleyes:

Then, I went to Aldi for some of their addictive chocolate chip cookies.

Bad thing: Cookies.
Good thing: Two pound tub of grapes.

Bad thing: Small bag of potato chips.
Good thing: Can of mixed vegetables.

Was this a good method? Anybody with any ideas on eating better? I like a lot of healthy food; vegetables in particular. I just don't have any specific ideas.

Paul

[winneythepooh7]

Not being around unhealthy food is what works for me the best. It's really, really hard I know, because bad food is just one of those things that is so easily accessible. It doesn't help that I live with someone who is super skinny who can eat whatever the heck he wants because he never gains weight.

Eating healthy is definitely a process, I feel. I tend to do okay during the work week because I keep healthy food with me all day, but sometimes I slip at night, and especially on the weekends.

[PenforPrez]

Not being around unhealthy food is what works for me the best. It's really, really hard I know, because bad food is just one of those things that is so easily accessible. It doesn't help that I live with someone who is super skinny who can eat whatever the heck he wants because he never gains weight.

Eating healthy is definitely a process, I feel. I tend to do okay during the work week because I keep healthy food with me all day, but sometimes I slip at night, and especially on the weekends.

At work, that's impossible for me because of the problems mentioned in my Lunch Time thread. I do well with my lunch; usually either soup or a pot pie. Processed, yes. But they have vegetables and tasty meat (the pot pies are lean white meat chicken) and it's not fried. ;) It's when I get home that I have a problem. :rolleyes:

I see it as a process too. Replacing generally unhealthy habits with better ones. Not easy, certainly.

Paul

[winneythepooh7]

I think I missed the work lunch thread. In any event, I don't bring things that need to be cooked or left in the fridge. I bring a bag full of fresh fruit and veggies and I usually eat a wrap with hummus and fresh veggies. For a snack, I bring a handful of nuts/trail mix.

[asm198]

My husband and I used to eat no veggies whatsoever. It's not that we didn't like them, but they would always go to waste before we had a change to eat them when we'd buy fresh. We also had different schedules, which meant that we'd end up making too much food for just one person and that led to overeating.

Our tentative solution has been to buy frozen veggies, rather than fresh. I really like the Green Giant boxed veggies. They vary on how much sodium and whatnot they have and I know that they aren't as healthy as fresh, but I figure it's better than nothing. I also really like the Knorr (Lipton) Sides Plus Veggies. They're bagged pasta with veggies included and are pretty good. Besides that, we also buy canned veggies, but normally only the small cans that are more made for 1-2 people.

The only other thing I can suggest is to make sure you have a veggie with almost every meal. Also, make it easy at first, otherwise it's really easy to not bother.

[pisces2473]

Paul, one of the things that helps me to stay full is to eat plenty of protein. When I eat a "magic" amount, I am able to shed weight like you wouldn't believe. It's hard to switch your eating ways overnight, I know this all too well, but small changes are still changes.

I would try to eat more fresh fruits/veggies rather than canned ones. And yeah, junk is cheaper than healthy food, but try to limit your junk purchases to one or two "splurge" items.

I know how hard this can be, believe me. PM me if you want to talk more.

[PenforPrez]

I think I missed the work lunch thread. In any event, I don't bring things that need to be cooked or left in the fridge. I bring a bag full of fresh fruit and veggies and I usually eat a wrap with hummus and fresh veggies. For a snack, I bring a handful of nuts/trail mix.

I wish I liked nuts more; I just don't.

The Lunch Time thread:

http://www.quarterlifecrisis.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27073

My husband and I used to eat no veggies whatsoever. It's not that we didn't like them, but they would always go to waste before we had a change to eat them when we'd buy fresh.

I have that problem with apples. I love apples, but I buy them, stick them in the fridge, and forget about them. Then they go to waste, and good apples aren't cheap. I need to just eat one or two every day, and then that won't happen.

I also really like the Knorr (Lipton) Sides Plus Veggies. They're bagged pasta with veggies included and are pretty good.

I like those little bags of rice you can stick in the microwave. Plenty of sodium in those, but it's still reasonably healthy. I like to mix chicken with them. That's good stuff. :)

Paul

[wordsmith]

Rather than get the doritos, french fries, chips, cookies, AND chips (all the while offsetting them with a more healthful item), I'd probably choose ONE of those.

[PenforPrez]

Rather than get the doritos, french fries, chips, cookies, AND chips (all the while offsetting them with a more healthful item), I'd probably choose ONE of those.

I won't eat most of the cookies. My mother, the Type I diabetic, will. She shouldn't even LOOK at cookies, but I can't tell her. :( I've tried. The french fries will be split up also.

I try not to eat snack chips of any sort most of the time. Sometimes, though, I just have to have some. I need to cut them out entirely, and I've made progress there.

Paul

[redav]

The only thing that works is to make a permanent positive change. Buying things to balance out the bad won't work because you are still buying the bad. And, it is possible that if you just add good to the bad, now you are eating more than before and thus more Calories overall. Also, there are many things that people think are 'good,' but when you read the label they have half the day's worth of Calories, salt, cholesterol, etc.

Here are a few things--you cannot eat what you don't buy. You can't buy what you don't have access to. Not walking down the chip isle will prevent you from buying and thus eating the Doritos. Once you develop the habit of not walking down that isle, it won't be a struggle.

Another strategy is to review the things you eat & decide what you can give up and not miss that much. (Chips & sodas are some of those things for me.) This is where you should start--if you can live without it, you won't have as many cravings/temptation for it.


As part of our safety program at work, we have a hierarchy of means of preventing incidents. It works for everything in addition to safety, including eating healthy. It has a clever, memorable acronym, but since that may be trademarked, I'll just give the info & not the specific words they use:

1. Eliminate - Getting rid of a hazard is the best possible solution. For example, not being around chips/donuts/etc at all means you can't eat them.
2. Substitute - Replace a hazard with something less hazardous, such as healthy cereal for the sugary kind, or crackers for cookies, or chicken for beef.
3. Barriers - This is something that directly prevents you from accessing the hazard, like shopping at a store that doesn't carry the bad stuff or not carrying money that could be used in a vending machine.
4. Reduce Exposure - Not keeping food at your desk means you do not have easy access to it or not buying big bags where it is easy to eat more than you intend.
(1-4 are called engineering controls since they directly address the hazard & are not dependent on human decisions)

5. Procedures - Go to the store with a list, and stick to it. Have a set time for lunch & dinner. Commit to not eating after 7PM. Etc
6. Housekeeping - Don't leave things around that could get in the way or create temptation, such as adds/coupons for fast-food.
7. Information - Learning about everything you eat helps you make better decisions.
(5-7 are called administrative controls since they are dependent on people making correct decisions. They are not as effective as engineering controls)

8. PPE (personal protective equipment) - This stuff only protects you once something goes wrong. Weight-loss medications would fit into this category.
(This is a protective control and does not address the hazard at all. It is the least effective means of reducing risk)

[embrassezla]

I've found that reading ingredient labels helps me curb temptations at the grocery store. You'd be surprised at some of the crap that goes into processed foods. I started making my own bread at home, which uses 5-6 ingredients. Check the labels on the bread at the grocery store - there's usually 20+ ingredients in there. Lots of chemicals and additives and what not. Blech. I try to steer clear of anything with ingredients I can't pronounce.

Also, if there are farmer's markets near you, definitely go there for your produce. It tastes better (supermarkets ripen tomatoes with ethanol gas - farmer's market tomatoes are ripened on the vine, for instance), supports the local economy, and 100% of your money goes directly to the farmer! Makes me feel good buying from them. Plus they are fun to talk to and full of info - I've tried so many new vegetables just because I asked what it was and how I should prepare it. They are happy to help.

Good luck!

[Musicvixen24]

So after i devour the entire bad of cookies, i move on to the grapes...bad food doesn't stand a chance in my house..

a good idea which is similar is mixing 1/2 bad and 1/2 good food together...so you'd have 1/2 cup of doritos and 1/2 cup of pretzels..or 1/2 cup total cereal and 1/2 cup cocoa pebbles....it really works to stop cravings

[cheshrcarol]

Paul, I think maybe you need to do some research on what's actually healthy and what's not. For example, you said one of your healthy items was canned vegetables. In reality, that's not something that's probably super healthy. They probably have a lot of sodium. If you're going to eat veggies, go with fresh or frozen.

And that pot pie isn't doing you any favors either. If it's a packaged item, it probalby has TONS of sodium and fat (cream-based filling), most of the nutrition will have been cooked out of the veggies and the crust adds fat and carbohydrates. A home-made pot pie *might* be marginally better, depending on how it's prepared.


btw, pretzels aren't healthy either. They're a slightly better choice than doritos, but basically white flour and salt. NOT a health food. If you want something munchy, try soy crisps. Or better yet, carrot sticks.

[wordsmith]

Paul, I think maybe you need to do some research on what's actually healthy and what's not. For example, you said one of your healthy items was canned vegetables. In reality, that's not something that's probably super healthy. They probably have a lot of sodium. If you're going to eat veggies, go with fresh or frozen.

And that pot pie isn't doing you any favors either. If it's a packaged item, it probalby has TONS of sodium and fat (cream-based filling), most of the nutrition will have been cooked out of the veggies and the crust adds fat and carbohydrates. A home-made pot pie *might* be marginally better, depending on how it's prepared.


btw, pretzels aren't healthy either. They're a slightly better choice than doritos, but basically white flour and salt. NOT a health food. If you want something munchy, try soy crisps. Or better yet, carrot sticks.

Meh, there are also whole-grain pretzels, that are just as nutritious as anything else that's multigrain-based. I don't eat them, really, but I know that whole wheat pretzels do exist.

[cheshrcarol]

Meh, there are also whole-grain pretzels, that are just as nutritious as anything else that's multigrain-based. I don't eat them, really, but I know that whole wheat pretzels do exist.Good point. Although I don't think those were necessarily the kind that Musicvixen was talking about.

BTW, I am far from a health nut. I make tons of bad eating decisions. But it's typically it's a conscious decision because I (usually) realize something's not good for me.

[wordsmith]

Oh, same, here. I'm going to eat tortilla chips regardless of how pointless they are, nutritionally...but I do so with eyes wide open.

[embrassezla]

Paul, if you can give me a run-down of what kinds of things you eat in a day, I'm sure I/we can offer healthy substitutes/alternatives that you can ease into and not feel deprived.

[beeblebrox]

I've found that reading ingredient labels helps me curb temptations at the grocery store. You'd be surprised at some of the crap that goes into processed foods. I started making my own bread at home, which uses 5-6 ingredients. Check the labels on the bread at the grocery store - there's usually 20+ ingredients in there. Lots of chemicals and additives and what not. Blech. I try to steer clear of anything with ingredients I can't pronounce.

Do you have an easy bread recipe?? I made my first sweet bread (chocolate chip zucchini bread) this weekend and it turned out great. I'm kinda hooked on making bread right now and it sounds like you've got a great idea there.

[wordsmith]

Inspired by this thread, I got a small, single serving bag of honey wheat pretzel twists, which are very tasty and satisfying. The nutritional values listed leave me to assess that they're neither awesome for you, nor terrible for you. They're made with whole wheat flour, and the sodium's actually not very high. They provide more fiber than many snacks, but I'd not call them a health food, particularly. They are fat free, and due to the honey, give sweet cravers a touch of sweetness without a bunch of refined sugars. They seem to be a good substitute for a crappier snack, but they're not amazing for you either. But they do taste good (and would taste good dipped in fancy mustard, which I don't have right now).

[embrassezla]

Do you have an easy bread recipe?? I made my first sweet bread (chocolate chip zucchini bread) this weekend and it turned out great. I'm kinda hooked on making bread right now and it sounds like you've got a great idea there.
I'm totally hooked on making bread! It's so super easy. I use a breadmaker, and I bought a book of bread recipes specifically for breadmakers. PM me if that works for you, and I'll send you some recipes from it!

[beeblebrox]

I'm totally hooked on making bread! It's so super easy. I use a breadmaker, and I bought a book of bread recipes specifically for breadmakers. PM me if that works for you, and I'll send you some recipes from it!

I don't have a breadmachine though. I was looking around to find a recipe that's doable for regular baking. I'm trying to keep the sodium to a minimum because of my last health test.

[wordsmith]

Little-known fact...most bread machine recipes can be baked in the oven. I use mine mainly for making dough (pizza dough, pretzel dough, bagel dough), which I then prepare conventionally.

[embrassezla]

Little-known fact...most bread machine recipes can be baked in the oven. I use mine mainly for making dough (pizza dough, pretzel dough, bagel dough), which I then prepare conventionally.
Yep! You can also prepare dough outside the bread machine and just use it to bake, which is nice in the summer when you don't want to turn on the oven and heat the whole floor.

[GirlJames]

Hi Paul,

Something that's worked for me is to read the label of anything I'm considering and put it back if it contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or high fructose corn syrup. These are two of the worst processed ingredients that you can eat (partially hydrogenated oils are actually banned in most of Europe as not fit for human consumption). As a general rule, these things are not found in foods that are good for you and cutting them out will eliminate many of your cookies, chips, fried snacks, etc. by default.

It makes the selection process easier to be able to look at something and say right away "I can't have this" and put it back, or "I could have this" and then consider it further. It can be difficult at first because so many foods contain these ingredients (especially the cheap ones), but keep reminding yourself that it's SO bad for your body.

You'll start noticing that the conglomerate food companies have been fooling us by promoting "healthy" options that really aren't. They're touting whole grain breakfast cereals made with an equal amount of high fructose corn syrup, and "100 Calorie Packs" that are 80 calories worth of partially hydrogenated oil. That pisses me off :mad: , which is motivation not to eat it.

[beeblebrox]

Hi Paul,

Something that's worked for me is to read the label of anything I'm considering and put it back if it contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or high fructose corn syrup. These are two of the worst processed ingredients that you can eat (partially hydrogenated oils are actually banned in most of Europe as not fit for human consumption). As a general rule, these things are not found in foods that are good for you and cutting them out will eliminate many of your cookies, chips, fried snacks, etc. by default.

It makes the selection process easier to be able to look at something and say right away "I can't have this" and put it back, or "I could have this" and then consider it further. It can be difficult at first because so many foods contain these ingredients (especially the cheap ones), but keep reminding yourself that it's SO bad for your body.

You'll start noticing that the conglomerate food companies have been fooling us by promoting "healthy" options that really aren't. They're touting whole grain breakfast cereals made with an equal amount of high fructose corn syrup, and "100 Calorie Packs" that are 80 calories worth of partially hydrogenated oil. That pisses me off :mad: , which is motivation not to eat it.

I've been more careful with high fructose corn syrup, but I found it was even in rice cakes. I've been using rice cakes as my sweet treat substitute to other stuff. I was pissed when high fructose corn syrup is found in rice cakes. There's something really wrong with that.

[GirlJames]

I've been more careful with high fructose corn syrup, but I found it was even in rice cakes. I've been using rice cakes as my sweet treat substitute to other stuff. I was pissed when high fructose corn syrup is found in rice cakes. There's something really wrong with that.

I know! I find myself looking at labels in the store and going "Oh that's bullshit!" and notice people slowly moving away from the girl swearing at the box of Quaker Oat granola bars.

[wordsmith]

Growing up in one of the largest corn-producing states, and home to Archer Daniels Midland, one of the biggest corn syrup producers, I've often wondered why a sweetener made from corn is seen as such the devil, of late...found an interesting Times article from last year that talks about just that:

A sweetener with a bad rap (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/02/business/yourmoney/02syrup.html?ex=1309492800&en=395528073bd886b7&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss%3Cbr%20/%3E)

Whether it's a sweetener made from sugar cane like sucrose, a sweetener made from fruit sugars like fructose/glucose, or an artificial, chemical sweetner, sweetening your food or eating food that's sweetened dents the nutritional value, ultimately, in the end any way you slice it. Even honey has a similar glucose/fructose mixture to high fructose corn syrup, and it also is about the same caloric value of that, and of white cane sugar, in similar amounts.

I feel like sweeteners, in moderation, are fine for most people who aren't medically predisposed against them. All sugars can contribute in some way to obesity. The main reason high fructose corn syrup is targeted as particularly insidious is because consumers aren't always the most educated about the fact that it's in many foods you wouldn't expect. Everybody KNOWS a doughnut or a can of Coke has a ton of sugar in it. They don't necessarily know that so does their favorite tomato soup that they think is a healthy option, or their crackers, or their savory salad dressing.

Paul, before you get on your "everything can kill you, so why bother, bring on the fat, grease, and refined white sugar!" soapbox, yes, everything CAN kill you...but it's far more likely to if overindulged in than used sparingly and judiciously.

[embrassezla]

I avoid HFCS because it's processed, genetically modified, has a higher glycemic index than sugar, and is sneakily inserted into foods that don't need to be sweetened. Go Monsanto!

[asm198]

Personally, I think that people cry wolf about 'bad' things much too often. If you want to look hard enough, you can find something unhealthy or bad for you in absolutely everything that you eat, so I don't put much stock in it. I mean, I think buying veggies from a farmers market is great, but keep in mind that you really don't know the conditions in which they were grown. They could be using pesticides or fertilizer that has been deemed 'bad'.

My point is that, unless you are personally growing/raising what you are eating, you can never be sure about the conditions it came from and it could be 'unhealthy'.

I don't think Paul's issue is that he doesn't know what is healthy, but that he's not sure how to incorporate healthy things into his diet or how to break the cravings of unhealthy things. The way I see it, you can eat anything, as long as you eat it in moderation.

I think that if you feel that you must buy/eat chips or cookies, you should buy them. Buy single servings or split the bag up into servings. That way, you aren't tempted to grab the bag of chips because it's quick and easy and then blow through the entire bag in one day. And you don't feel like you are depriving yourself of something you want.

If that's really hard for you to do, maybe you could make a promise with yourself that you are only going to buy one bag of chips a month. Just one bag and when it's gone, you can't buy more until the next month. But you can buy as many bags of apples (or baby carrots or whatever) you want as a snack.

Since you haven't really incorporated veggies all that much into your daily diet, I do think that buying canned/frozen is a good idea. Get yourself used to eating veggies with dinner and once you're used to it, then you can start buying fresh or experiment with different ways to prepare veggies.

One of the biggest reasons that people fail when they try to change their diets is because they make a total change all at once. Changing things gradually will make it more likely to stick with you.


Another thing that I can suggest has less to do with buying healthier foods and more to do with money. Do you have a food budget? If not, make one and only bring that money into the store with you. So, let's say that you're budget is $100 a week and you want to buy a bag of chips and a bag of cookies, which will cost a total of $10. Do you really want to spend 10% of your weekly budget on food that you know isn't that good for you? Likely not. And save the junk food aisles for last when you go shopping. Keep a running total of how much 'money' you have in your cart and stop shopping when you reach your budget or you've gotten everything you needed for the week. If you have money leftover, then you can hit the junk food aisle.

Also, do you make a shopping list before you go? If not, do that before you go. It doesn't have to be completely specific, but you could put that you need 7 servings of veggies, 9 servings of chicken, a bottle of olive oil, etc. Then stick to your list and between your list and your budget, there may not be enough money leftover for the unhealthy stuff.

One more thing. If you really feel that you need chips or cookies, buy the stuff to make your own. And if you don't know how, get online and get a recipe. You might find that the cravings will go away if you have to work for it, rather than having instant gratification.

[embrassezla]

I mean, I think buying veggies from a farmers market is great, but keep in mind that you really don't know the conditions in which they were grown. They could be using pesticides or fertilizer that has been deemed 'bad'.
You don't know the conditions food from a supermarket were grown in, either, and you can certainly find out a lot easier at a farmer's market than you can by asking the manager of a grocery store.

[ugarachel82]

Not having the junky food around is what helps me the most with not eating as much as well. I also think that moderation is the key. That is, not to look at a food as "bad" but to limit it and eat a small portion when you crave it. This can be tricky, but it will make your body feel as if it is less deprived, eliminating the urge to binge.

[asm198]

You don't know the conditions food from a supermarket were grown in, either, and you can certainly find out a lot easier at a farmer's market than you can by asking the manager of a grocery store.

Well, right. What I was meaning is that I kind of get tired of people (in general) going on and on about how bad and terrible supermarket produce is because you don't know about the growing conditions. It's the same thing with produce from the farmer's market. If people are really and truly concerned about how their food is grown, they need to start growing their own.

Sorry for the mini rant. I've just heard too many people on other boards bash others because they aren't eating something 'trendy', for lack of a better word. Like, insisting that only non pesticide, organically grown produce is the only way to go and if you eat anything else, you might as well kill puppies and become a junkie.

[WorkInProgress]

I am also trying to eat better. My parents were pretty good about teaching me how to eat well to begin with (plus I learned about the food groups and the food pyramid), so I know how, but it seems like this is always an area that can be improved (and I expect that I will always be trying to eat better generally).

I find that when I don't have junk, I don't eat junk. I also don't go grocery shopping hungry, if I can help it. And, I read labels (both the nutrition information and ingredients). I've always had to, because I have food allergies, and it does help.

I find that picking up something that I want (but don't need, and something that is likely not good for me) and carrying it around for a little while, as I shop for other things allows me time to really consider it, so if I do buy it, it's definitely not an impulse buy. (Clearly this is not so advisable for things like ice cream, but you get the point. NOTE: I also do this in other stores to keep my purchases down. Clothing, books, etc. It works for that too. I invariably purchase less the more I think about it.)

EDIT: I also eat out and I refuse to feel bad for a splurge. There is nothing wrong with a treat every now and again, as long as it really is every now and again, rather than bingeing (e? no e? this is one of those words I always mess up) regularly.

[wordsmith]

Even if you grow your own food in your own garden, you're still dealing with potential soil and water contaminants, unless you are growing it in a bubble, with soil you you've developed yourself via mulch, and are watering with treated, filtered water.

I lean toward ASM's point of view, mainly because I personally view organic merchandising as overpriced marketing scams, for the most part, and a ton of the hype to be meaningless buzz.

[wordsmith]

I am also trying to eat better. My parents were pretty good about teaching me how to eat well to begin with (plus I learned about the food groups and the food pyramid), so I know how, but it seems like this is always an area that can be improved (and I expect that I will always be trying to eat better generally).

I find that when I don't have junk, I don't eat junk. I also don't go grocery shopping hungry, if I can help it. And, I read labels (both the nutrition information and ingredients). I've always had to, because I have food allergies, and it does help.

I find that picking up something that I want (but don't need, and something that is likely not good for me) and carrying it around for a little while, as I shop for other things allows me time to really consider it, so if I do buy it, it's definitely not an impulse buy. (Clearly this is not so advisable for things like ice cream, but you get the point. NOTE: I also do this in other stores to keep my purchases down. Clothing, books, etc. It works for that too. I invariably purchase less the more I think about it.)


Honestly, the amount of junk we eat is just habit, and it's way easier to get out of the habit than you might think. If you stop supplying yourself with crappy food, you'll likely find that you really don't miss it, and after not that long, either. Refusing to buy junk food also forces you to redevelop a taste for better food if you've gotten out of the habit of eating well. And, if you can train yourself to indulge in less than great foods in moderation, you don't even need to cut them out cold turkey.

[embrassezla]

The farmer's market I go to doesn't feature organic farmers - at least they haven't yet. That's a different point, and one that I wasn't making. If you are worried about the type of conditions under which your food was grown, doesn't it make more sense to ask the guy who grew it, than it does to ask the manager of a supermarket? I don't understand the viewpoint that one is not more informative than the other. In my experience, the farmers are more than happy to tell you how they do things.

[redsail]

Do you have an easy bread recipe?? I made my first sweet bread (chocolate chip zucchini bread) this weekend and it turned out great. I'm kinda hooked on making bread right now and it sounds like you've got a great idea there.

I really like the recipes inBread Baker's Apprentice by Peter Reinhart (http://www.amazon.com/Bread-Bakers-Apprentice-Mastering-Extraordinary/dp/1580082688/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-7304526-4695936?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187104293&sr=8-1). I love the Ciabatta recipe in Artisan Baking Across America (http://www.amazon.com/Artisan-Baking-Across-America-Recipes/dp/1579651178/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-7304526-4695936?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187104400&sr=1-2). Artisan Baking has some shorter time recipes than Bread Baker's, although both have recipes spanning overnight.

[asm198]

The farmer's market I go to doesn't feature organic farmers - at least they haven't yet. That's a different point, and one that I wasn't making. If you are worried about the type of conditions under which your food was grown, doesn't it make more sense to ask the guy who grew it, than it does to ask the manager of a supermarket? I don't understand the viewpoint that one is not more informative than the other. In my experience, the farmers are more than happy to tell you how they do things.

Farmers are more than happy to talk about what they produce. But I feel that people assume that produce they buy at a farmer's market is automatically so much better than what they can buy at the store. That's more than likely true, but not necessarily and I think that sometimes people don't think to ask about how things are grown because of that assumption.

I'm not knocking farmers or anything like that. I grew up in a farming community and my family grew our own food in the summer.

[red]

but most of the local produce i get (through a weekly farm share) tastes better... so isn't that enough? take tomatoes, for example. the ones from the grocery store are not good. they taste mealy and bland.

maybe i just get disgusting produce because i live in a city?

i don't know what paul has access to in terms of resources, access to fresh produce, etc. healthy food is more expensive but paul, first off at this point you should be doing all of your own grocery shopping. try to make better choices a habit and stay away from eating so many simple, fried/processed foods. try frozen veggies (i know fresh are expensive) but you can buy frozen spinach, broccoli, green beans, snap peas, etc. those things freeze well.

[wordsmith]

but most of the local produce i get (through a weekly farm share) tastes better... so isn't that enough? take tomatoes, for example. the ones from the grocery store are not good. they taste mealy and bland.

maybe i just get disgusting produce because i live in a city?

Definitely likely...I live in an agricutural belt, so produce is fresh and local, not trucked in. When I lived in Chicago, it was cringeworthy how little an ear of sweet corn shrinkwrapped in plastic in Dominick's resembles an ear still warm from sitting in the sun on the stalk. When I'd come out to my parents' farm with lifelong city-dweller friends, and they'd eat tomatoes off the vine, they'd be AMAZED at what a "real" tomato tastes like.

But that doesn't mean that places that sell good produce at jacked up prices are something I'll ever get behind.

[asm198]

but most of the local produce i get (through a weekly farm share) tastes better... so isn't that enough? take tomatoes, for example. the ones from the grocery store are not good. they taste mealy and bland.

maybe i just get disgusting produce because i live in a city?



I guess I'm not explaining myself very well. All I'm saying is that you can get decent produce at a supermarket, farmer's market, or by growing yourself. I don't feel that something needs to be purchased from a certain place for it to have health benefits. It doesn't have to be organic or pesticide free or at a premium to be good for you. Plus, in the area where Paul lives, if he only purchased food at a farmer's market, he'd likely be out of luck at least 6 months a year.

I'm not saying that anyone has stated that Paul must buy organic food. Personally, I think that's a crock. But I've heard many people insist that it's the only way to go and I'm just trying to point out that people may be assuming things that they shouldn't be and that there are other options.

[red]

i don't like jacked up prices either (i don't shop at fresh direct or whole foods locally) and i get a good deal since i cut out the middleman and buy direct from the farm. much of long island was once farmland, and there are still farms out there so we can get some amazing local stuff in the summer. in the winter, we are SOL.

my theory is that i think people will like produce/healthy foods better (and be more likely to eat it more habitually!) if they tastes better. for example- many fruits just do not travel well. and canned veggies don't usually taste very good. but lots of veggies freeze well, and of course anything green is better than a bag of doritos, a bag of chips, cookies, etc.

[wordsmith]

Frozen veggies are FAR more palatable than canned, to me, if it comes down to choosing between those two in the absence of fresh.

[embrassezla]

I suggested the farmer's market as an option for Paul because he'll be exposed to different kinds of vegetables, and can ask how to prepare them, etc. I find collecting produce at the super market to be boring, but I actually like going to the FM, talking to the farmers, learning about what they're selling, etc. Makes it more fun to eat fruits & veggies, IMO.

[PenforPrez]

Paul, before you get on your "everything can kill you, so why bother, bring on the fat, grease, and refined white sugar!" soapbox, yes, everything CAN kill you...but it's far more likely to if overindulged in than used sparingly and judiciously.

Sure read my mind. :p

Plus, in the area where Paul lives, if he only purchased food at a farmer's market, he'd likely be out of luck at least 6 months a year.

Actually, no. The Soulard Farmers Market near downtown St. Louis is open all year. The problem is going during the week; there's maybe one or two vendors there on weekdays. Haven't seen an honest to God farmer there, though. :rolleyes:

They have a huge farmers market on weekends in the summer in Tower Grove Park, but I've not been there yet. There's always Produce Row too. A friend of mine just opened a small organic grocery store on the South Side. I've been meaning to drop by, but God only knows how much that stuff will cost. I'm not really sold on the whole organic thing.


i don't know what paul has access to in terms of resources, access to fresh produce, etc. healthy food is more expensive but paul, first off at this point you should be doing all of your own grocery shopping. try to make better choices a habit and stay away from eating so many simple, fried/processed foods. try frozen veggies (i know fresh are expensive) but you can buy frozen spinach, broccoli, green beans, snap peas, etc. those things freeze well.

Before that, I need to cook for myself more. I can cook, and I have some talent for it (some of you may recall my thread where I tried to bake my own biscuits). I just don't very much. Mom always fixes breakfast, lunch is what it is, and mom usually fixes dinner for me before I get home. I'm spoiled. If I didn't let mom do that, she would go nuts. My mother is literally going to go mad when I move. :frustrate

I'm just more used to the canned veggies. I'll have to try the frozen ones more. :) I like vegetables, really. I just need to find a way to incorporate them more into my diet.

Would a cookbook help?

Paul

[asm198]

Oops! I forgot you were leaving your previous area for STL, Paul. Sorry about that!

[hoodie]

Paul, scratch the cookbook. Go to www.kraftfoods.com and look at the recipes. You can sub in whatever you need to for some of the Kraft products (aka you don't need to use Kraft Italian Dressing, use whatever Italian dressing you have), it's pretty supermarket friendly, there are TONS of recipes, and many are really easy, plus just by glancing at the recipes, there's a column that lets you know if there's any health benefit to the recipe (low cal, calcium source, etc.). Oh yeah and all the recipes include nutrition info. I'm a good cook who owns some great cookbooks but kraftfoods is pretty blasted convenient.

[red]

i think paul, that you need to move out and start making your own choices and that would probably solve a lot the issues you post about, in terms of food, dating, etc. your mom should not be making you breakfast. how can you make better food choices if you're not doing the cooking?

[wordsmith]

I would agree. Most of the issues that you post about can be traced back to you not having established your own independence, and having a mom who determines your nutrition is no exception.

[Mollygurl]

It helps me to set goals but to also indulge in things once in a while. I do well during the week mostly. ( I pack my own lunch, with a sandwich and fruit and eat a granola bar for breakfast). The weekends are a lot harder, I admit, and just try to work out all week to offset going out to dinner.

[pisces2473]

Even when I was living at home, my mother NEVER made me my breakfast. Well, maybe once in awhile, on a Sunday morning she'd cook for the family, but not on a regular basis.

[asm198]

Paul, I think buying a cookbook would be a good idea. I prefer ones that have pictures of the meals in them, but I'm a visual person. Maybe you could stop by Borders sometime and check out what they have.

[WorkInProgress]

Paul, I think buying a cookbook would be a good idea. I prefer ones that have pictures of the meals in them, but I'm a visual person. Maybe you could stop by Borders sometime and check out what they have.

There are some decent and pretty cheap ones in the bargain book section. The library usually has some cookbooks too.

[red]

When you get your own place, i will send you some cookbooks.

[wordsmith]

There are tons upon tons of online recipe resources, as well, you don't even have to buy cookbooks, just look up what you need.

[cheshrcarol]

Check out http://www.allrecipes.com. They have a ton of recipes and you can search by ingredient, ethnicity, whether it's considered healthy, etc.

[pisces2473]

When you get your own place, i will send you some cookbooks.
Hey! I'm telling!:evil:

[pisces2473]

Paul, why DOES your mom make your breakfast? Doesn't she have other things to do? You are an adult, you really need to start acting like one...

[wordsmith]

His mom makes it because he lives at home and she wants to. When I spend time at my mother's house, she cooks for me, too (not breakfast, because breakfasts aren't a big thing that anybody cooks in the household I grew up in, but other meals). I just don't live there, so it's not a constant. But she cooks for my sister, who does live there, all the time. If I were living at home, it would be weird for me to say to my mom, "Don't include me in meals," when I'm around for them. Paul's mom is also from the deep south, where big cooked breakfasts are more a traditional cultural institution.

[pisces2473]

I get that, and I even said earlier that my mom cooks for me when I'm over there.

The point is, Paul wants to eat better, wants to move on with life, etc, and by allowing other people to make decisions for him, he's not getting what he wants.

[wordsmith]

Independence is tied up in getting out of his parents' home, though. As long as he lives there, he's gonna be pretty much subject to the way they do things.

[ebruening]

Definitely likely...I live in an agricutural belt, so produce is fresh and local, not trucked in. When I lived in Chicago, it was cringeworthy how little an ear of sweet corn shrinkwrapped in plastic in Dominick's resembles an ear still warm from sitting in the sun on the stalk. When I'd come out to my parents' farm with lifelong city-dweller friends, and they'd eat tomatoes off the vine, they'd be AMAZED at what a "real" tomato tastes like.


Mmm...Nebraska sweet corn is the best :D I love sweet corn, but it has to be cut off the cob - I don't eat corn on the cob. *ending threadjack*

[wordsmith]

Check your PMs!

[dacrunkest]

I eat like crap and manage to stay slim. Sometimes I try and watch what I eat, other times not so much. But, I run daily and have a fast metab. Works for me. If I don't eat a lot I lose weight really quick, sometimes I have to eat to keep up.

[PenforPrez]

Mmm...Nebraska sweet corn is the best :D I love sweet corn, but it has to be cut off the cob - I don't eat corn on the cob. *ending threadjack*

I love corn on the cob. I have trouble with it because of my underbite. Same with apples.

Paul

[PenforPrez]

When you get your own place, i will send you some cookbooks.

Thanks! :)

I plan to have a huge party when I move. Not at whatever place I get; I'll plan it with my Meetup group. But anybody who wants to come to STL will be more than welcome. :D

Paul

[PenforPrez]

I eat like crap and manage to stay slim. Sometimes I try and watch what I eat, other times not so much. But, I run daily and have a fast metab. Works for me. If I don't eat a lot I lose weight really quick, sometimes I have to eat to keep up.

I can't run any distance. I never could. I've always had a small lung capacity. I'm surprised I don't get winded licking the envelopes at work. It's the closest I ever get to tongue action, believe me. :p

I do like to walk, and I want to more. I'm trying to force myself to go out on days off. Now that the 100+ degree heat is over, I'm going to walk after work again.

Paul

[pisces2473]

Independence is tied up in getting out of his parents' home, though. As long as he lives there, he's gonna be pretty much subject to the way they do things.
It's food. Are they shoving it down his throat? Will they kick him out if he wants to eat different things?

[PenforPrez]

His mom makes it because he lives at home and she wants to.

If I were living at home, it would be weird for me to say to my mom, "Don't include me in meals," when I'm around for them. Paul's mom is also from the deep south, where big cooked breakfasts are more a traditional cultural institution.

Pretty much. She worships our dogs because she has no more children to raise. But if she didn't, she would spend more of her time in bed than she does now. Which is the LAST thing a brittle diabetic should be doing during the day. But it's like the cookies. I've tried telling her. :(

Don't forget also, my mother's from Louisiana, so it's a wonder said breakfast isn't smothered in Tabasco sauce. :p

Ironically, yesterday they were showing an old episode of Justin Wilson's cooking show on TV. (Justin Wilson was a Cajun comedian from south Louisiana who had a popular cooking show on PBS for many years.) Made some eggplant casserole with tuna and shrimp. Looked great, except for the tuna.

Paul

[red]

my mom cooks for me too when i go over there. but i don't live there and my husband doesn't cook, so it's a nice break for me.

running is not something you just up and do. you have to work up to it. i could give you a couch to 5k plan and i bet you could run a few miles. but honestly i think you are not really looking for advice here. i feel like i'm telling your mom not to eat the cookies...

[embrassezla]

If you mentioned to your mom that you are trying to eat more healthfully, would she be amenable to either you making your own breakfast (or making breakfast for everyone, maybe on the weekends?), or making yours a little more healthy, if it requires minimum effort? Like, cooking spray instead of butter, skipping the cheese, etc?

If not, you could always just eat smaller portions of whatever she's making, and make yourself something on the side, like a steamed veggie or salad or what not. You've got plenty of options!

[wordsmith]

I eat like crap and manage to stay slim.

That's 'cause you're a runnin' fool! ;)

[PenforPrez]

my mom cooks for me too when i go over there. but i don't live there and my husband doesn't cook, so it's a nice break for me.

running is not something you just up and do. you have to work up to it. i could give you a couch to 5k plan and i bet you could run a few miles. but honestly i think you are not really looking for advice here. i feel like i'm telling your mom not to eat the cookies...

I just want some encouragement and a little push. God knows I'm more stubborn than a mule, and I freely admit it. But I do want to change on this, and I'm just trying to start small. :)

If you mentioned to your mom that you are trying to eat more healthfully, would she be amenable to either you making your own breakfast (or making breakfast for everyone, maybe on the weekends?), or making yours a little more healthy, if it requires minimum effort? Like, cooking spray instead of butter, skipping the cheese, etc?

If not, you could always just eat smaller portions of whatever she's making, and make yourself something on the side, like a steamed veggie or salad or what not. You've got plenty of options!

I should make my own to get in the habit. So when I move, I'll have that good to go. Breakfast is the most important meal of the morning, after all. :)

Had some delicious Oriental grapes today at the office. One of our people had a birthday today, and she brought them in. It was a healthful choice literally RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. I love grapes. :)

Paul

[CoolAZN]

Eating healthy is a good thing for your body, but than again it is expensive to buy them. That is way a lot of junk food is really cheap and tempting. Now is an excellent time to go to your local produce market and get some fresh veggies and fruits. Also, like me, you can cook your meals and save you some monie and know what your eating as well.

When I moved out and got my own place, I did not know how to cook really good meals (meals that have a balanced diet of all the things in the pyramid) until one of my co-worker told that that if I know how to read, than I know how to cook. So I purchased a cookbook called 1000 vegetarian recipes at a bargain outlet. The book comes in handy many times. Best of luck in eating more of a healthier diet! I get tempted into eating junk food too.:p

[WorkerBee2006]

I'm quite conscious of what I eat but it's a struggle to eat well. Here are a few tips that have been working for me:

*if you must eat rice and pasta, eat brown rice and whole wheat pasta (despite what some people may say, they're both satisfying)

*limit anything with MSG (check labels carefully) i.e. canned soups, processed foods, TV dinners, fast food, etc. This is difficult to do but very worth it. MSG is really nasty and harmful over a lifetime

*keep in mind that all the little "no's" will add up to big success. If you can muster up the discipline to say "no" to a temptation most of the time, you will feel better about rewarding yourself occasionally

*when you crave something sweet, try some sugar-free gum. You'd be surprised how often this will take away your craving

*drink water with every meal

*try more vegetarian recipes including using more soy meat products i.e. soy meatless ground beef. It looks like ground beef, is tasty and blends perfectly in dishes like stir fries, spaghetti, stuffed peppers, etc. It's low in fat and calories, has no saturated fat or cholesterol and is good source of fiber too

*cut out mayo, cheese and fatty meats when making/buying sandwiches

*use less oil when cooking or switch to spray

*remember that your body isn't a garbage disposal!

Hope some of this info is useful. I'm still a work in progress!

[embrassezla]

*limit anything with MSG (check labels carefully) i.e. canned soups, processed foods, TV dinners, fast food, etc. This is difficult to do but very worth it. MSG is really nasty and harmful over a lifetime

You can request no MSG when ordering Chinese at most places, too.

[ebruening]

I'm quite conscious of what I eat but it's a struggle to eat well. Here are a few tips that have been working for me:

*if you must eat rice and pasta, eat brown rice and whole wheat pasta (despite what some people may say, they're both satisfying)

*when you crave something sweet, try some sugar-free gum. You'd be surprised how often this will take away your craving

*drink water with every meal

*try more vegetarian recipes including using more soy meat products i.e. soy meatless ground beef. It looks like ground beef, is tasty and blends perfectly in dishes like stir fries, spaghetti, stuffed peppers, etc. It's low in fat and calories, has no saturated fat or cholesterol and is good source of fiber too

*cut out mayo, cheese and fatty meats when making/buying sandwiches

*use less oil when cooking or switch to spray


I would love to eat rice and pasta, but my digestive system won't allow that anymore :mad:

Here are some additional suggestions, Paul:

You can cook LOTS of things in just water. I've completely stopped cooking with oil or spray, and only cook things in water now. It's cheaper, and I don't notice any texture or taste difference in what I'm eating.

Water or homemade iced tea (from tea bags or loose-leaf tea, not the instant kind) is a great substitute for sodas.

I disagree with WorkerBee on entirely cutting out cheese and mayo from sandwiches. I do think, though, that healthy sandwiches depend on unprocessed products, and portion control. If you can afford it, I'd suggest buying natural cheeses like mozzarella, and avoiding the processed "cheese product" singles. With mayo and other condiments, carefully measure the amount you use - don't slather on fatty condiments when you really only need a teaspoon. You might also try a tiny bit of horseradish sauce, or spicy brown mustard, instead of mayo.

You can have yummy vegetarian meals without any soy products whatsoever. I don't particularly care for soy products, so I avoid them whenever I can. (The large amount of phytoestrogen in soy products is not something I care to ingest.) I just made a crustless spinach, broccoli and mushroom quiche, which I'll pack and take for my lunches this week. It is relatively healthy, convenient for "work lunches," and cost around $7 to make. Vegetarian meals don't have to be chock-full of carbs and contain a lot of "specialty" ingredients. You can make lots of delicious meatless meals with very basic ingredients.

[PenforPrez]

I don't like mayo; no worries there. The only condiment I use with any frequency is ketchup. That's good for you; plenty of lycopene. :)

I like cheese, but I don't eat a lot of it. I've been concerned about how much calcium I get, and that seemed to be a good way to accomplish that.

I've been taking some grapes with me to work so I won't be so hungry during the day. Works very well. :)

Paul

[wordsmith]

I'm quite conscious of what I eat but it's a struggle to eat well. Here are a few tips that have been working for me:

*if you must eat rice and pasta, eat brown rice and whole wheat pasta (despite what some people may say, they're both satisfying)

Whole grains are actually FAR more filling than white flour, white rice, etc., and keep you satisfied longer.

[star307]

Cheese is a great source of calcium, of which 60 percent of men do not get enough. A serving of cheese, which contains about 30 percent of your daily calcium, is 1 to 1.5 ounces, about the size of your thumb. So, all things in moderation, or try reduced fat cheeses. Cabot has a really good sharp cheddar.

[PenforPrez]

More grapes at work today. Yummy. :)

Finally took up my daily walking again today. I had to resist the temptation to just drive home and not walk. Got to get back in the habit.

Baby steps. Little things. How many times have I said that? :rolleyes:

Paul

[PenforPrez]

Did another small step today. I replaced my morning soda with a large glass of water. The key is to make all of these a habit. Walking, grapes, water. Small change, big difference. :)

Paul

[nikorock28]

I've almost finished off 14 servings of ice cream in 3 sittings (in the past 3 days). At least it is half the fat and 20% less calories than regular ice cream :rolleyes:

But, yeah, one step at a time. My diet has not been very good at all the past couple weeks (an increase in Taco Bell, Panda Express, pizza, etc) and has never really been good at any time. I remember one time I watched everything I ate for 2 weeks (very strictly) and I lost about 7-8 lbs in that time. It just takes extreme discipline and not giving into urges!

[PenforPrez]

It just takes extreme discipline and not giving into urges!

That's the problem I have. Right now, I want nothing more than to tear into a hot 10 ounce bacon cheeseburger. Dripping with sauteed onions. :redface: I've wanted that for days. But it's easy to duck when you're on the road three hours a day. ;)

Paul

[asm198]

I can't remember if I mentioned this before, but when I was trying to kick the soda habit, I didn't do it cold turkey. I allowed myself soda only with a meal and only one glass or can. If I wasn't eating a full meal, I couldn't have soda, but I could have almost anything else. When I was totally used to that, I slowly started replacing the soda with lemonade or something.

It's been three years and I very rarely have soda if I'm not eating a meal. And most of the time, it's a last resort. I refuse to drink water with a meal unless there's just nothing else in the house. I'm currently on this green tea kick, but I make it myself with the powder stuff.

[embrassezla]

That's the problem I have. Right now, I want nothing more than to tear into a hot 10 ounce bacon cheeseburger. Dripping with sauteed onions. :redface: I've wanted that for days. But it's easy to duck when you're on the road three hours a day. ;)

You could try making one yourself, with some healthy substitutions!

Get very lean meat, or ground turkey if that's okay with you. Go easy on the bacon, and saute the onions in a non-stick pan with some cooking spray. Oh, and grab a whole wheat bun.

[wordsmith]

Definitely. There are a lot of ways to make dining-out favorites in less hazardous versions!

[embrassezla]

In the same vein, and I think someone mentioned this upthread, you can get veggie crumbles to subsitute for ground meat. I wouldn't use it for a hamburger, but they work well in sloppy joes and tacos. Can't tell the difference and it's virtually guilt-free. Just FYI!

[wordsmith]

Embra, have I ever given you my meatless burger recipe? I don't know if it would work for you, because it uses egg as a binder, but I think water would work, too.

[dulcie]

Did another small step today. I replaced my morning soda with a large glass of water. The key is to make all of these a habit. Walking, grapes, water. Small change, big difference. :)


Good for you! I found the small step route was the best way for me to change the way that I looked at food. And I've kept it up for the most part for the last 3 years, which I think is a pretty good testament to its effectiveness. Good luck.

[embrassezla]

Embra, have I ever given you my meatless burger recipe?
Nope! Send it along. But clean out ya box first :)

[sondra_finchley]

Whoever made the crustless quiche needs to post the recipe for me stat- i ADORE quiche but am always afraid to make it because of the crust and the fact that I could inhale one at one sitting.

I make some bitchn' enchiladas with that SmartGround fake meat or whatever it is. I like to make it stretch further ( i.e. a double batch in the end) by sauteeing up some garlic, onions, and chunks of yellow and green zucchini before adding in the SmartGround to heat it up before I spread onto tortillas. I typically use just the fajita sized ones ( white flour- because i hate corn ones and whole wheat is just too chewy) so that its less calories than the mega burrito ones. Mix up some enchilada sauce from a packet and go minimal on the topping cheese, dump it in the oven for a bit and then top with crunchy salad ( or "fancy" salad mixes with mesclun or whatever in it). That SmartGround is so filling that one of those goes a long way, not to mention Ive got leftovers up the wazoo AND unlike beef I dont have to worry about it getting weird too quickly.

Trying to watch my weight at the moment as well because I want to trim down for some sports idea I had, but my GOD- the boredom at work gets me every time. Its always so hard in the afternoon if I dont have something scheduled and Im doing the boring part of my job because all I want is candy or something sweet at 4pm. I try to bring alternatives like applesauce or fruit ( or even a small pudding cup today), but it just doesnt cut it :/ I do, however, drink a ton of water all day long; probably 2 to 2.5 liters. Thankfully we are almost done with summer hours so I can go back to a normal 9 hour day- that extra hour in the evenings just kills me!

[PenforPrez]

You could try making one yourself, with some healthy substitutions!

Get very lean meat, or ground turkey if that's okay with you. Go easy on the bacon, and saute the onions in a non-stick pan with some cooking spray. Oh, and grab a whole wheat bun.

I have never tried the ground turkey, but I hear that's real good. :) I don't do the onions usually; it's just this one place that serves it that way. ;)

Paul

[ugarachel82]

When I ate meat, I ADORED turkey burgers. Ground turkey made just like a burger. Much better for you than ground beef, and better tasting, IMO. I'm not a beef person at all though.

[hoodie]

Oh yeah. Chipotle BBQ Turkey Burgers on my George Foreman are a staple!

[GreenFolder]

Did another small step today. I replaced my morning soda with a large glass of water. The key is to make all of these a habit. Walking, grapes, water. Small change, big difference. :)

Paul

That's a smart move. My friend did that and it helped a lot...those things have a lot of sugar and extra junk in them. Flavored waters like Vitamin Water too are something to cut out- they are just loaded with sugar.

[beeblebrox]

Oh yeah. Chipotle BBQ Turkey Burgers on my George Foreman are a staple!

I have a great chicken burger recipe that I made last night. It's from Kathleen Daelman's Cooking Thin cookbook. My bf, who's the biggest red meat fan, loves these. It's made with a lot of cayenne pepper.

[wordsmith]

My BF officially loves the aforementioned meatless burger recipe! Yay!

[PenforPrez]

That's a smart move. My friend did that and it helped a lot...those things have a lot of sugar and extra junk in them. Flavored waters like Vitamin Water too are something to cut out- they are just loaded with sugar.

It's hard to drink a large cup of water. But I drink it all, and it's absolutely disgusting. :rolleyes:

I'm like the old guy from the Listerine commercial. "It burns -- That's how you know it's working." :p

Paul

[wordsmith]

I put lemon in mine.

[pisces2473]

I can't believe there are people who have a hard time drinking water...it's so...basic.

[wordsmith]

If you live somewhere with crappy-tasting water, and prefer not to piss away $$$ buying bottled for more cash per gallon than gasoline, it's kind of a chore. My hometown had dreadful, chlorine-redolent treated water, and chugging it was pretty unappealing (though I grew up with well water on the farm, whicxh ruled). My college town's tap water tasted of sulfur deposits. Where I live now is rated the best city for drinking water in the nation, though. It tastes how water is supposed to taste.

[pisces2473]

My post wasn't directed towards anyone in particular. :rolleyes:

I should have clarified that I was speaking more towards those who have bottled water at work or access to good drinking water, and cannot "stand" to drink plain water. I just don't get it. It's water. It's what our bodies are made up of, it's natural, etc. It's always amazed me.

[embrassezla]

I can't just drink plain water at non-meal times either. It tastes fine, I think, I just don't really want it. It's room temperature on my desk, and it just doesn't get finished, plain and simple. I never really bothered analyzing why. I started drinking a solution of about 10% Vitamin Water and 90% plain water which is just slightly sweet, and I drink about 80oz throughout the workday without even thinking about it. It's just what works for me.

[red]

yeah put some lemon in it or a splash of juice or whatever. it's not rocket science! i drink water with a bit of cranberry juice or lemonade since the latest craving is tart drinks.

obviously soda tastes better to you right now since you are drinking it even for breakfast but if you just stop drinking so much of it you will grow accustomed to things that taste less sweet.

and water is free.

[pisces2473]

yeah put some lemon in it or a splash of juice or whatever. it's not rocket science! i drink water with a bit of cranberry juice or lemonade since the latest craving is tart drinks.

obviously soda tastes better to you right now since you are drinking it even for breakfast but if you just stop drinking so much of it you will grow accustomed to things that taste less sweet.

and water is free.
LOL Red, you are awesome!

[wordsmith]

I can't just drink plain water at non-meal times either. It tastes fine, I think, I just don't really want it. It's room temperature on my desk, and it just doesn't get finished, plain and simple. I never really bothered analyzing why.

This is me...most of the time, I'm just plain not thirsty, and if you're not in the habit of drinking water just to drink water, it doesn't come naturally. If you get into the habit of it, though, it doesn't bother you as much to drink habitually, when you're not especially thirsty.

[meatwad]

This is me...most of the time, I'm just plain not thirsty, and if you're not in the habit of drinking water just to drink water, it doesn't come naturally. If you get into the habit of it, though, it doesn't bother you as much to drink habitually, when you're not especially thirsty.

Aye, tis the same with me. But I started drinkin' it exceptin' fer soda an now it's pretty much all I drink. 'Ceptin fer the occassional rum n' coke.

[wordsmith]

I drink coffee and tea, mostly, rarely soda. But I did up my water drinking at work.

[meatwad]

I drink coffee and tea, mostly, rarely soda. But I did up my water drinking at work.

Aye. Ya do get used to it after a while.

[wordsmith]

hah, I just realized it's Talk like a Pirate Day, Matey!

Either that, or you've got a little of the Captain in you.

[meatwad]

hah, I just realized it's Talk like a Pirate Day, Matey!

Either that, or you've got a little of the Captain in you.

I wish, but me boss Capn' Mustache would probably keel haul me.

[cheshrcarol]

I wouldn't buy bottled water, but I used to have a Brita pitcher until I got more into seltzer. I get free filtered water at work and try to drink a lot of it. I bought a bottle with an ice core thing inside, which helps because I hate warm water. I also like Vitamin water a lot, but only drink that when I've been doing really strenuous stuff (like moving in the heat). I also like Propel a lot too, and that has a lot fewer calories and sugar. I even found Propel packets to add to your water, which I love because I can dilute them and still get the taste, but less calories.

[wordsmith]

Seriously awesome. (http://www.truelemon.com/)

[PenforPrez]

If you live somewhere with crappy-tasting water, and prefer not to piss away $$$ buying bottled for more cash per gallon than gasoline, it's kind of a chore.

I was originally just getting the water straight out of the tap. Which tasted absolutely nasty. More recently, I've been getting it from the water cooler we have. Which isn't much better. :p

I like filling up my large cup with it so it gives me a goal to work toward. I've drank enough water for the day when the cup is empty. :)

My hometown had dreadful, chlorine-redolent treated water, and chugging it was pretty unappealing (though I grew up with well water on the farm, whicxh ruled).

When I was in Kansas Labor Day weekend, I stopped at this gas station and got some coffee. The stuff seriously tasted like they put a shot of Clorox in it. I was waiting to start seeing UFOs from my seemingly bleach-tainted coffee. :rolleyes: Fortunately, that didn't happen.

Paul

[PenforPrez]

obviously soda tastes better to you right now since you are drinking it even for breakfast but if you just stop drinking so much of it you will grow accustomed to things that taste less sweet.

I've really cut down on soda since I started this new water regimen. I still drink too much, but a lot less than I used to.

I don't drink soda with my breakfast. I used to, but I drink coffee with milk now. I should do some orange juice with it; I like orange juice. :)

Paul

[pisces2473]

OJ has the same amt of calories as soda, and it's filled with sugar. Stick to the water and coffee. It would be better for you to eat an orange, you can get vitamins that way, and fiber.

[meatwad]

OJ has the same amt of calories as soda, and it's filled with sugar. Stick to the water and coffee. It would be better for you to eat an orange, you can get vitamins that way, and fiber.

Aye, but it's got vitamins n' nutrients and such if it be not from concentrate with pulp. Wait, Wednesday's over. Why am I typing like that?

[pisces2473]

Paul, you should just check out some websites or books about basic nutrition.

[meatwad]

Paul, you should just check out some websites or books about basic nutrition.

I've been eating better, but last night I just had to get me some fried clam strips. Oh hell yeah. Sucks to be near me today though. My ass smells like low tide.

[halfbaked07]

I've been eating better, but last night I just had to get me some fried clam strips. Oh hell yeah. Sucks to be near me today though. My ass smells like low tide.
God!!! I love reading your posts.. You make me laugh!

[meatwad]

God!!! I love reading your posts.. You make me laugh!

But it's true!

[halfbaked07]

Drinking water isn't that big of a deal... Do I do it...Not typically... Don't particularly care for it, but I usually pack a glass with as much ice as humanly possible then fill it up with hot water.. Don't ask..for some reason it tastes better than from the tap. Our coffee machine has a hot water tap on it so I use it. I sip on it all day.. If the ice runs out I go put more in.

Anyone who knows me knows that I drink Dr. Pepper all.day.long. Love it, its the only thing I really just love. However, its not the healthiest thing in the world and since I've lost some mega weight I'd really like to not gain it back, hence the consumption of water during the day (tea right now though) and Dr.P. when I leave work.

[halfbaked07]

But it's true!
and hilarious. :)

[meatwad]

Drinking water isn't that big of a deal... Do I do it...Not typically... Don't particularly care for it, but I usually pack a glass with as much ice as humanly possible then fill it up with hot water.. Don't ask..for some reason it tastes better than from the tap. Our coffee machine has a hot water tap on it so I use it. I sip on it all day.. If the ice runs out I go put more in.

Anyone who knows me knows that I drink Dr. Pepper all.day.long. Love it, its the only thing I really just love. However, its not the healthiest thing in the world and since I've lost some mega weight I'd really like to not gain it back, hence the consumption of water during the day (tea right now though) and Dr.P. when I leave work.

What about Diet Dr.P? The sugar is the main factor in it causing weight gain.

[pisces2473]

Diet Dr. Pepper DOES taste just like regular.

And no, I don't work for them.

[embrassezla]

I can't remember the last time I had a Dr Pepper. They are delicious, though.

I can't remember the last time I had a non-diet soda at all, actually. And I rarely drink diet. Once you stop drinking soda, if you do have one, it feels like burning in your esophagus. And since you can clean a car battery with a Coke, it's probably not just the sensation of burning :)

[pisces2473]

I can't remember the last time I had a Dr Pepper. They are delicious, though.

I can't remember the last time I had a non-diet soda at all, actually. And I rarely drink diet. Once you stop drinking soda, if you do have one, it feels like burning in your esophagus. And since you can clean a car battery with a Coke, it's probably not just the sensation of burning :)
Shhhhhhh!!!!!

[halfbaked07]

Diet Dr. Pepper DOES taste just like regular.

And no, I don't work for them.
you can't mess withthe d.p. it does taste different. Has a funky after taste, where as regular dr.pepper sits on the taste buds and dances to swan lake....ok maybe more like a badass party with a wierd mix of eminem, nelly and linkin park, but whose counting? :D

[GreenFolder]

It's hard to drink a large cup of water. But I drink it all, and it's absolutely disgusting. :rolleyes:

I'm like the old guy from the Listerine commercial. "It burns -- That's how you know it's working." :p

Paul

LOL yeah I hear yeah. Plain water does get boring. I add lemon to my water sometimes and I mix in some of the flavored waters. Just keep an eye on those labels-- some of the ones like Vitamin Water don't seem like they are that many calories until you realize a bottle is 2.5 servings. Who drinks less than a half of a bottle of something?!

[PenforPrez]

I've been eating better, but last night I just had to get me some fried clam strips. Oh hell yeah. Sucks to be near me today though. My ass smells like low tide.

I was craving seafood today. Then I had my daily craving for a massive bacon cheeseburger and it went away. Which I manfully resisted, as usual. I just sit and eat my lunch and my grapes in the afternoon and smile and say nothing. :) Grapes are tasty and very fun to eat.

Paul

[PenforPrez]

I made lunch for me and my father today; my mother was coming back from visiting my sister. Dad doesn't like to cook much anymore, even though he's fairly talented at it. It wasn't the healthiest lunch ever prepared, but it was a good start. I wanted to take time out this weekend to do some cooking, and this was a prime opportunity.

Made some instant mashed potatoes, purple hull peas (mmmmmmmmmmmm. . .) and chicken, the first being the most complicated. I've made the instant mashed potatoes many times, and this was one of my better attempts. Until I got some from the bottom of the bowl and it was awfully salty. :rolleyes: I didn't get the salt evenly in the flakes. I normally do better.

This afternoon, I plan to try my hand at making homemade biscuits again. Some of you may remember my attempts from last year in that regard.

Paul

[cheshrcarol]

Um, if you're trying to eat healthier, instant mashed potatoes and homemade biscuits shouldn't be on the menu. Just saying.

[AshleyJordan]

It sounds to me like the best change you could make would be introducing more fresh vegetables into your diet. So, for example if your lunch included biscuits and mashed potatoes, substitute a salad or some steamed vegetables for one of those carbs. I'd also be careful about how you prepare the chicken. . . .

[embrassezla]

Also, if you're feeling REALLY brave (;): ), you could substitute a baked sweet potato for the mashed potatoes. Making a baked potato is pretty much as easy as pricking it with a fork and nuking it, and sweet potatoes are much healthier than regular mashed. Sprinkle with some cinnamon and nutmeg and you'll feel like you're eating dessert!

[AshleyJordan]

Paul, I'd venture to guess that your diet is contributing to your depression and fatigue. I know I feel like crap if I forget to take my vitamins or eat too much junk food-- protein and fresh vegetables really do boost your energy level a lot, and if you feel better physically you might be better prepared to tackle some of your other challenges.

[pisces2473]

Um, if you're trying to eat healthier, instant mashed potatoes and homemade biscuits shouldn't be on the menu. Just saying.
Seriously.

Do you want a medal because you cooked? You cooked junk. I think we'll be very proud of you when you cook something a lot healthier.

Also, you don't need to add salt to instant mashed potatoes when they are cooking. You should never cook with salt. You can add salt (to taste) when cooking is complete.

[ebruening]

Seriously.

Do you want a medal because you cooked? You cooked junk. I think we'll be very proud of you when you cook something a lot healthier.

Also, you don't need to add salt to instant mashed potatoes when they are cooking. You should never cook with salt. You can add salt (to taste) when cooking is complete.

I think what Paul meant was that he was practicing his cooking skills. Everyone has to start somewhere, even if it's making toast. He even said that it "wasn't the healthiest lunch" ever prepared. I believe that baking does require some salt, unless you're excluding that from "cooking." Even if you're making relatively healthy homemade bread (not sweet breads), it does require some salt. I don't think it was very considerate to say that Paul "cooked junk." You could have phrased it in more considerate wording, imo.

[cheshrcarol]

Jen was referring to the salt in the instant mashed potatoes, not the biscuits.

And I agree with her. Paul, it seems like you want to have everyone give you a pat on the back for every minuscule accomplishment. In the same thread you started to say that you want to eat healthier, you later post that you're proud of the not-so-healthy meal you cooked. And then you continue that trend with saying you want to try making biscuits again.

Honestly, I think you don't really want to change anything. You want to sit back in your comfort zone and not truly make an effort. Which is fine. But it's frustrating for people reading your numerous posts on change, asking for a cookie every step of the way.

[AshleyJordan]

Jen was referring to the salt in the instant mashed potatoes, not the biscuits.

And I agree with her. Paul, it seems like you want to have everyone give you a pat on the back for every minuscule accomplishment. In the same thread you started to say that you want to eat healthier, you later post that you're proud of the not-so-healthy meal you cooked. And then you continue that trend with saying you want to try making biscuits again.

Honestly, I think you don't really want to change anything. You want to sit back in your comfort zone and not truly make an effort. Which is fine. But it's frustrating for people reading your numerous posts on change, asking for a cookie every step of the way.

(Emphasis mine).

Sorry, but I have to agree. . . . you are going to make some very radical changes to improve your situation Paul, and it's been a year (or more?) that we've been trying to point you in the right direction. I think if you're happy in your situation, at home, then that's OK. That's great. Rock on!
If not, you have to accept some risk. I think everyone on this board has done just that. I've taken huge financial risk to move to NYC and embark on my career, and I've decided it's worth it. I'm about to embark on another major risk with my SO, and I'm deciding to just swallow my fears and do it. . . and I've put a tremendous amount on the line. And there have been times that I've taken some losses in the past-- but it's been worth it. Everyone has to calculate the costs and benefits of their decisions-- but don't be paralyzed by indecision.

[pisces2473]

I think what Paul meant was that he was practicing his cooking skills. Everyone has to start somewhere, even if it's making toast. He even said that it "wasn't the healthiest lunch" ever prepared. I believe that baking does require some salt, unless you're excluding that from "cooking." Even if you're making relatively healthy homemade bread (not sweet breads), it does require some salt. I don't think it was very considerate to say that Paul "cooked junk." You could have phrased it in more considerate wording, imo.
No, I don't want to be considerate any longer. Paul seems to want to sit in his comfort zone, but then says he's trying to change. I'm not gonna sugar-coat it for him. If he wants a pat on the back, he has to make some significant changes.

[embrassezla]

I interpreted the situation as Paul just not understanding what constitutes a healthy meal. I don't think it's that uncommon to think that if something isn't fried and full of fat (I'm guessing instant mashed potatoes are neither), then it's probably healthy.

Maybe he just needs to become more educated on eating healthy? Not just how to prepare, but WHAT to prepare? Let me know if I'm way off the mark here, Paul.

[meatwad]

Maybe we could be figs even.

[AshleyJordan]

Maybe we could be figs even.
Wha?????

[old_school_soul]

I interpreted the situation as Paul just not understanding what constitutes a healthy meal. I don't think it's that uncommon to think that if something isn't fried and full of fat (I'm guessing instant mashed potatoes are neither), then it's probably healthy.

Maybe he just needs to become more educated on eating healthy? Not just how to prepare, but WHAT to prepare? Let me know if I'm way off the mark here, Paul.


I think any rational adult, especially one who writes trivia questions, would know that an apple is healthier than a cheese burger. This isn't about knowing what's good/bad for you, it's about breaking habits and actually doing the necessary work.

[embrassezla]

I think any rational adult, especially one who writes trivia questions, would know that an apple is healthier than a cheese burger.
Right, but an apple being healthier than a cheeseburger is much more obvious than a baked (sweet) potato being healthier than instant mashed potatoes. What I'm trying to say is that a lot of (smart) people think that potatoes are vegetables and as long as you aren't frying them, they're healthy.

[old_school_soul]

Right, but an apple being healthier than a cheeseburger is much more obvious than a baked (sweet) potato being healthier than instant mashed potatoes. What I'm trying to say is that a lot of (smart) people think that potatoes are vegetables and as long as you aren't frying them, they're healthy.

I still have a hard time believing that a smart person would think that powdered potatoes (and the shit load of other ingredients mixed in) are healthier than a real one.

[meatwad]

Wha?????

Well you see, twice upon a time there was a realm of peoples known as the rusher's of din...

[AshleyJordan]

I still have a hard time believing that a smart person would think that powdered potatoes (and the shit load of other ingredients mixed in) are healthier than a real one.
I actually didn't even know that you *could* eat instant potatoes. I didn't know that such a thing existed.

[embrassezla]

I actually didn't even know that you *could* eat instant potatoes. I didn't know that such a thing existed.
I've only ever used it in recipes that call for it specifically, but now I just avoid it altogether. I have a few recipes for potato bread, but they all call for instant mashed potatoes as the potato part. Lame! Tell me how to do it with an actual potato, plz.

[redav]

Honestly, I think you don't really want to change anything. You want to sit back in your comfort zone and not truly make an effort. Which is fine. But it's frustrating for people reading your numerous posts on change, asking for a cookie every step of the way.
you have to accept some risk. I think everyone on this board has done just that. I've taken huge financial risk to move to NYC and embark on my career, and I've decided it's worth it. I'm about to embark on another major risk with my SO, and I'm deciding to just swallow my fears and do it. . . and I've put a tremendous amount on the line. And there have been times that I've taken some losses in the past-- but it's been worth it. Everyone has to calculate the costs and benefits of their decisions-- but don't be paralyzed by indecision.
No, I don't want to be considerate any longer. Paul seems to want to sit in his comfort zone, but then says he's trying to change. I'm not gonna sugar-coat it for him. If he wants a pat on the back, he has to make some significant changes.
It seems to me that this pretty much sums up a great many of life's challenges and QLCs.

[PenforPrez]

I challenged myself today and walked six miles this afternoon. I was much the worse for wear afterward, but it feels rewarding. I thought maybe if I could build some endurance, I could hike on the Appalachian Trail for a couple of days in a year or so. I've always wanted to do that. Go visit my PA relatives and go hiking for two or three days. That would be ideal. :)

Paul

[PenforPrez]

One thing I have done recently is almost completely given up soda. I've been forcing myself to drink a lot of water at work, and I've been refraining from soda at home. I've stopped getting soda on the way home from work too, which was a huge problem.

Now if I'm going out, I will. I probably should refrain from that too, but I'm making sure I drink plenty of water. It's like taking out the trash. It's a distasteful chore, but it stinks up the house if you don't. ;)

I miss soda. But it does have more flavor now that I don't drink it as much. :)

Paul

[redav]

One thing I have done recently is almost completely given up soda.
That is a good move. Often can feel better just by doing that and not much else. Once you really get used to water, you won't even notice that it has no taste.

[PenforPrez]

That is a good move. Often can feel better just by doing that and not much else. Once you really get used to water, you won't even notice that it has no taste.

Actually, I've found it leaves a funny taste in my mouth. But that's OK. :)

I stepped on a digital scale yesterday. A message popped up: "One At A Time!" It might as well have. The scale said 247 pounds. :eek: That's 50 pounds more than I should be, but 150 pounds less than I'd need to be a sumo wrestler.

I lost 50 pounds five years ago by basically starving myself (small lunch, no dinner). Once I lost 20 pounds, I had no problem with the last 30. That's not going to work now, nor is it really healthy. But I kept most of it off until now.

I've been working on adjusting my walking location now that it's getting dark earlier. I need to do it consistently; once I reestablish a good pattern, I should be alright. :)

Paul

[AshleyJordan]

Paul. . . please see a Doctor if you're planning to lose 50 pounds.

[PenforPrez]

Paul. . . please see a Doctor if you're planning to lose 50 pounds.

I'm not looking to lose 50 pounds; more like 20. I was happy at 215 (which I weighed when I lost 50 before), and 225 would be great. I maintained a weight of 225 for about three years. I have a large build, so I hide my weight well.

I just don't want to get back up to 265, which I was for some years. Nothing fits well when you weigh 265.

Paul

[cameralady]

I miss soda. But it does have more flavor now that I don't drink it as much. :)

Paul
What about drinking [flavored] seltzer instead? Same bubbly feeling, no calories. :D

If you absolutely have to drink soda, why not try soda that is sweetened with organic cane juice instead of high-fructose corn syrup? (Now available @ Whole Foods)

[PenforPrez]

If you absolutely have to drink soda, why not try soda that is sweetened with organic cane juice instead of high-fructose corn syrup? (Now available @ Whole Foods)

I've seen that. Is that any good?

[PenforPrez]

Replacing bad habits takes time and willpower.

I took a look at where I could start making a change in my diet, and I'm targeting my breakfast. My mother went out of town today, so right now is the ideal opportunity to do something else.

I stopped at a Wal-Mart on the way home from work and bought a lot of fruit. I was already there to buy the new Eagles CD, so I figured I should while I was there. Buying produce at Wal-Mart is like working in an oil refinery for cheap gas. You could do that, but there's better ways of going about it. :rolleyes:

So I found tasty-looking fruit. No Doritos. No cookies. No pizzas. Just fruit. And the Eagles album.

I thought about switching my breakfast to fruit and toast. And milk. :) Even better, it gets me in the habit of shopping for myself. When I run out of tasty fruit, I get to go back and do it again. :idea:

Paul

[embrassezla]

I thought about switching my breakfast to fruit and toast. And milk. :) Even better, it gets me in the habit of shopping for myself. When I run out of tasty fruit, I get to go back and do it again. :idea:
That's a great idea! Depending on what your usual breakfast is, fruit & toast might leave you feeling hungry pretty quickly. You could consider adding a bit of peanut butter to your toast, if you like that. Anything with good, heart-healthy fat in it will help with satiety. Almonds are another good source, and avocado!

[PenforPrez]

That's a great idea! Depending on what your usual breakfast is, fruit & toast might leave you feeling hungry pretty quickly. You could consider adding a bit of peanut butter to your toast, if you like that. Anything with good, heart-healthy fat in it will help with satiety. Almonds are another good source, and avocado!

Well, I ate a good-sized Bartlett pear and toast yesterday, and I was alright until lunch. I didn't think those pears were that big. :eek:

I do use that heart-healthy margarine with the good fatty acids in it. It's good stuff; just a little hard to spread straight out of the fridge. :rolleyes:

Paul

[PenforPrez]

Yesterday, I weighed on the same scale I did two weeks ago. I've lost seven pounds! :razz: It looks like the things I'm trying are working. :)

Paul