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yankeeyosh
02-05-2008, 03:16 PM
First results are in...W. Va. goes to Huckabee.

wordsmith
02-05-2008, 03:32 PM
Geez, when did their polls close?

meatwad
02-05-2008, 03:39 PM
Geez, when did their polls close?

Noon.

wordsmith
02-05-2008, 03:48 PM
Wow, they're open until 7 p.m. here. I never stopped to think that some states might not have the polls open after work hours. Interesting.

PenforPrez
02-05-2008, 04:02 PM
I think WV just had a state party convention; I don't think it was a primary or caucus.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aKLt2CaRFRiI&refer=home

meatwad
02-05-2008, 04:03 PM
Wow, they're open until 7 p.m. here. I never stopped to think that some states might not have the polls open after work hours. Interesting.

It was apparantly some kind of caucus that allowed for Internet voting. I'm not sure how it worked.

wordsmith
02-05-2008, 04:21 PM
Interesting, I'll have to learn more. I guess if it's not a traditional primary, I'm not as confused.

yankeeyosh
02-05-2008, 08:54 PM
Current projected wins:

Republican:
Huckabee: W. Va., Ark.
Romney: Mass.
Mc Cain: Del., Conn., Ill., N. J., N. Y.

Democrat:
Clinton: Tenn., Ark., Okla., N. Y., Mass.
Obama: Ga., Ill., Del.

PenforPrez
02-05-2008, 09:45 PM
Add New Jersey to Hillary and Kansas to Obama.

Hillary and Huckabee are ahead here in Missouri at the moment. I figured those two would win here.

Paul

yankeeyosh
02-05-2008, 10:01 PM
Utah, no surprise, goes to Romney.

So updated:

Republican:
Huckabee: W. Va., Ark.
Romney: Mass., Utah
Mc Cain: Del., Conn., Ill., N. J., N. Y., Okla.

Democrat:
Clinton: Tenn., Ark., Okla., N. Y., Mass., N. J.
Obama: Ga., Ill., Del., Kan., Ala., N. Dak., Conn.

Conn. looks VERY important for Obama, especially since it looks like Clinton will take Mo.

PenforPrez
02-05-2008, 10:11 PM
Hillary's going to win Missouri. Every single rural county in MO that has reported has gone for Hillary by no less than 11 points. Hillary is ahead in Springfield, and the St. Louis suburban counties of Jefferson and St. Charles.

Obama has won Jefferson City (which surprised me) and Columbia and is well ahead in Jackson County (most of KC) and is a bit ahead in St. Louis County. No reports from St. Louis city yet, which should be strongly for Obama. The two Democratic Congressman from St. Louis (Lacy Clay and Russ Carnahan) had endorsed Obama.

Paul

yankeeyosh
02-05-2008, 10:16 PM
FOX News reports Obama taking Conn., which is vital given the poor showing in Missouri.

PenforPrez
02-05-2008, 10:17 PM
Obama is also well ahead in Minnesota and Idaho.

CNN has Obama winning North Dakota and well ahead in Colorado early.

yankeeyosh
02-05-2008, 10:31 PM
Alabama is in the Huckabee column, so it looks like he is faring well in the Deep South. North Dakota goes for Romney.

Obama gets Minnesota, and a lot of the Upper Midwest and Rockies states are going in that direction.

Republican:
Huckabee: W. Va., Ark., Ala.
Romney: Mass., Utah, N. Dak., Minn.
Mc Cain: Del., Conn., Ill., N. J., N. Y., Okla., Ariz.

Democrat:
Clinton: Tenn., Ark., Okla., N. Y., Mass., N. J.
Obama: Ga., Ill., Del., Kan., Ala., N. Dak., Conn., Minn.

PenforPrez
02-05-2008, 10:32 PM
Mike Huckabee may be the big surprise tonight. He's narrowly holding on in Missouri, Tennessee, Georgia and Alabama, and he's going to come up just short in Oklahoma. If McCain can pull off any of those, it would show just how far McCain has surged.

Paul

yankeeyosh
02-05-2008, 10:39 PM
Paul, I'm wondering if perhaps the Republicans not named Mc Cain will be coaxed to in the race until the bitter end so that Mc Cain does not get the majority of the delegates.

Ariz. looks to be in the McCain column, no surprise.

PenforPrez
02-05-2008, 10:44 PM
Well, it's interesting that Romney and Huckabee are demanding each other get out of the race. But Huckabee will have enough support after tonight to continue (at least in the South).

Romney may well not. He's going to have to pull off a small miracle in California. Which is easily possible; he's been surging in California of late.

Paul

yankeeyosh
02-05-2008, 11:10 PM
It looks like Mc Cain will probably win Missouri, since Saint Louis County and City have fewer precincts reported than the "average" for the state, and they are heavily Mc Cain.

Calif. could be decisive for Mc Cain.

Illinidiva
02-05-2008, 11:23 PM
It looks like Mc Cain will probably win Missouri, since Saint Louis County and City have fewer precincts reported than the "average" for the state, and they are heavily Mc Cain.

Calif. could be decisive for Mc Cain.

As goes MO, so goes the nation. I believe that the good Senator is now winning the state of MO, but he should definitely give Huckabee a nice big fruit basket for helping him out. I like in IL and was kinda worried that I wasn't going to get to vote tonight because the weather's crap out here and it took me a few hours to get up to my parents house (It isn't like McCain needed it though... They apparently called IL for him right after I voted... LOL). I still wanted to make sure that he got as many delegates as possible though..

As for the Dem. side, it seeks to amaze me that people continue to vote for Clinton over Obama... From my vantage point, Obama is a much better, more inspiring candidate. In fact, I'd vote for Obama over Romney or Huckabee. I'm not sure what the attraction is with the Clintons.

yankeeyosh
02-05-2008, 11:28 PM
As goes MO, so goes the nation. I believe that the good Senator is now winning the state of MO, but he should definitely give Huckabee a nice big fruit basket for helping him out. I like in IL and was kinda worried that I wasn't going to get to vote tonight because the weather's crap out here and it took me a few hours to get up to my parents house (It isn't like McCain needed it though... They apparently called IL for him right after I voted... LOL). I still wanted to make sure that he got as many delegates as possible though..

As for the Dem. side, it seeks to amaze me that people continue to vote for Clinton over Obama... From my vantage point, Obama is a much better, more inspiring candidate. In fact, I'd vote for Obama over Romney or Huckabee. I'm not sure what the attraction is with the Clintons.

Mizzou is getting tighter as Kansas City and Saint Louis votes pour in. Georgia goes for Huckabee.

Republican:
Huckabee: W. Va., Ark., Ala., Ga., Tenn.
Romney: Mass., Utah, N. Dak., Minn., Mont.
Mc Cain: Del., Conn., Ill., N. J., N. Y., Okla., Ariz.

Democrat:
Clinton: Tenn., Ark., Okla., N. Y., Mass., N. J.
Obama: Ga., Ill., Del., Kan., Ala., N. Dak., Conn., Minn., Colo.

wordsmith
02-05-2008, 11:31 PM
Obama has won Jefferson City (which surprised me) and Columbia and is well ahead in Jackson County (most of KC)

The Jackson Co. response doesn't surprise me, given the responses we got overall when 'crunk and I were manning the phone bank at Obama HQ here in KC. I know I got very few naysayers on the line.

yankeeyosh
02-05-2008, 11:38 PM
So far, the "big prize" of Calif. seems to be going Hillary and Mc Cain's way...

yankeeyosh
02-05-2008, 11:55 PM
Colo. goes to Obama. The Mizzou races are tantalizingly close for both parties.

yankeeyosh
02-06-2008, 12:29 AM
Very important news...Clinton wins Calif., and Mc Cain wins Calif. and Missouri...the latter thus taking a commanding lead.

Republican:
Huckabee: W. Va., Ark., Ala., Ga., Tenn.
Romney: Mass., Utah, N. Dak., Minn., Mont.
Mc Cain: Del., Conn., Ill., N. J., N. Y., Okla., Ariz., Mo., Calif.

Democrat:
Clinton: Tenn., Ark., Okla., N. Y., Mass., N. J., Calif.
Obama: Ga., Ill., Del., Kan., Ala., N. Dak., Conn., Minn., Colo., Alaska

dacrunkest
02-06-2008, 12:53 AM
Obama is winning Missouri now by about 4,000 votes. Losing California is a blow to his campaign, but he is still in it and the longer he stays in it the better his chances are.

I love that he trounced her in Georgia.

yankeeyosh
02-06-2008, 12:54 AM
Obama is winning Missouri now by about 4,000 votes. Losing California is a blow to his campaign, but he is still in it and the longer he stays in it the better his chances are.

I suspect that Obama will be declared the winner of Mo. any minute now...the only counties with outstanding votes are Boone and Saint Louis, which have tended towards Obama.

and1grad
02-06-2008, 01:10 AM
So is Romney done?

yankeeyosh
02-06-2008, 01:12 AM
So is Romney done?

Probably, although he'll probably hang on for a while. Mc Cain will be the nominee for the Republican party.

and1grad
02-06-2008, 01:15 AM
And what about for the Dems? If they're both splitting everything anyway, doesnt that make most of this pretty meaningless?

wordsmith
02-06-2008, 06:59 AM
Yup, looks like they're both still strongly in it, likely to continue to duke it out a while longer, from everything I've read. Which is good, IMO; it's too important a race to be "over" this early, to me. More time for more people to hear their messages is a good thing.

PenforPrez
02-06-2008, 08:13 AM
I suspect that Obama will be declared the winner of Mo. any minute now...the only counties with outstanding votes are Boone and Saint Louis, which have tended towards Obama.

Obama wins Missouri 49% to 48%. The at-large delegates seem to be split evenly, 30-30. As usual, my fellow Missourians couldn't make up their minds. Obama's totals in St. Louis County were impressive. I'm glad to be wrong. :)

The win doesn't mean much delegate-wise, but it's pretty impressive from a broader-picture standpoint.

Something I'm wondering about: Mayor Slay of St. Louis had endorsed Hillary, and right now, he's very unpopular with certain groups of voters in St. Louis city over a bitter disagreement with the city's fire chief, some of whom want Mayor Slay recalled. So I'm wondering if that hurt Hillary in St. Louis city. But, the city is 80% Democratic anyway, and the most liberal voters in Missouri to boot (Kucinich polled very well four years ago), so I'm not sure.

The Jackson Co. response doesn't surprise me, given the responses we got overall when 'crunk and I were manning the phone bank at Obama HQ here in KC. I know I got very few naysayers on the line.

I wasn't surprised by Jackson County at all; I expected Obama to do very well there. But Jefferson City did surprise me; it's not a more liberal area like Columbia. Cole County usually votes Republican. I figured Obama would be more likely to win St. Joseph, which is a pretty strong blue-collar Democratic area. But St. Joe (Buchanan County) went to Hillary.

So far as I can see, only one rural county went for Obama (Nodaway, in the northwest corner). That concerns me. The Democrats are going to have to be galvanized on the order of 1992 to win.

My rural county was one of Hillary's stronger wins, which doesn't surprise me. Hillary got 66% where I live to Obama's 30%.

My racist, octogenarian father was very upset to find out I'd voted for Obama. Well, too bad. I'm old enough to vote; more importantly, I'm old enough to defend my vote. Dad hates Obama. Of course, my father has voted for Democrats he didn't like before, most notably George McGovern. :rolleyes:

Paul

wordsmith
02-06-2008, 10:26 AM
The win doesn't mean much delegate-wise, but it's pretty impressive from a broader-picture standpoint.

Definitely.

I wasn't surprised by Jackson County at all; I expected Obama to do very well there. But Jefferson City did surprise me; it's not a more liberal area like Columbia. Cole County usually votes Republican. I figured Obama would be more likely to win St. Joseph, which is a pretty strong blue-collar Democratic area. But St. Joe (Buchanan County) went to Hillary.

That's unfortunately kind of more her base than his, though, if everything I'm reading lately about Obama's appeal being overall stronger with higher socioeconomic class/white collar/more formally educated constituents, less so with the blue collar sector, holds any water. Which really doesn't make that much sense to me, but then, it's not as if I've often felt in the past eight years or so that the voting public overall shares my opinions.