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blueyes
07-23-2008, 04:11 PM
I'm kind of at my wits' end with a pretty good friend of mine and I'd appreciate some constructive input on how to deal with him.

We'll call him 'D'. So D is 27, unemployed (since May 2008, he quit, not fired), no degree, he lives at home, is possibly an alcoholic, has been generally depressed for some number of months now, and has no significant other. I've known D for nearly 10 years now and he has changed very little in that time. He's a genuinely good person at his core, but he has some serious issues with fabricating stories (some incredibly elaborate - and completely unbelievable - ones), lying, and having what could be considered (ridiculously) high standards for all sorts of situations: food, girlfriends, professors, jobs, you name it. He's also a know-it-all and will lie about something if he senses that you don't know much about the topic he's spinnin' yarns on. He's also a quitter: D has these unrealistic goals, but he will automatically (unconsciously?) set up himself up for failure or refuse to take even the first step to attain that goal and instantly gives up. Or, when the going gets tough, he packs up and goes home.

Our general group of friends has been aware of D's behavior for years; we try and call him out on his lying and BS as often as we catch it. We find him job offers. We try and find out information about his on-going degree. We invite him out with the group - or one-on-one - to try and break his depression up. Nothing is working. Nothing is helping this guy. He's continuing to lie to us - most recently about his job search and his degree - and he's continuing to not actively look for work and just sits around his house all day. It almost seems like he actively resists our efforts to help him - my efforts to find out about the new job he's supposedly applied for were met with staunch resistance and his explanation was that he 'just didn't feel like justifying why he was looking for jobs the way he was looking any longer'. :question:

I went out with him last night and spent two hours with him while I ran errands. His latest thing he's hooked on? He wants to get his core group of guy friends together (including my fiance, who he views as his 'best friend') and do a group therapy session to work on another guy's 'issues' with couples (we'll call the other guy 'B'). D's treat, of course - after all the discussions he's had with B this week, he feels like B really needs to work on his view of how couples are supposed to 'work'. My fiance's response to this group-therapy suggestion can't reasonably be translated into polite language that I could post here.

We're losing patience. We are giving up. None of us particuarly want our friend to bottom out, but the more he resists our attempts to help him, the more exhausted and frustrated we become. Has anyone ever dealt with a similar situation? I'm worried, exhausted, and my emotional reserves are nearly depleted. I don't want to hit empty and go on a ranting rampage at him, but I literally don't know what else to do.

WorkInProgress
07-23-2008, 09:42 PM
I am so sorry to hear this.

I have no ideas beyond telling him this (not ranting, but a clear, open, honest, frank discussion). He has to want things to change or they're not going to.

roulettefanatic
07-23-2008, 10:33 PM
wow i'm sorry to hear this....i just have one thought for now, which is that as a friend you seem to truly care about this guy more than some people i know care about their own relatives so i feel for you in this situation.....there must be something within him that is afraid of change or success, although i certainly can't even begin to guess what that is....i know that happens sometimes with people when they get into a certain mindset and people try to help them, they want to turn the attention to someone else.....as far as stories go, i have a cousin who makes things ten things bigger than they are but only in a funny way (it's a central part of his personality but it doesn't really hurt anyone in the process).....if there are problems that's a different story but your friend is still very young and there's enough time to get help if he wants it.....

AllisonD
07-24-2008, 01:16 PM
Your friend sounds like a typical alcoholic unfortunately. Nothing you do as loving friends will stop him from being self-destructive and that really sucks to hear, but I think deep down you know it.

You don't have to cut ties completely with him, but don't feed into it. You, in a sense, become an enabler when he disrespects you by lying to you and you call him out, but you still wind up being there for him when he needs you and even when he doesn't need you. Maybe no one has put it to him this way and maybe he needs to hear the truth about how you all feel about him. It may do more harm than good though so tread wisely since every situation and person is unique. (If he is depressed or suicidal, maybe refer him to a psychologist instead)

But I have had a few alcoholics/addicts as friends and it was just best for me to put all my energies elsewhere. They surely can drain you and it's not healthy for either party when you really take a good look at it. Sometimes they come around when they realize their lives suck and they miss their friends. One of my best friends had a severe drug problem for years and I would talk to her now and then just to say hi, and finally she got clean and got her life together and now we are able to be close again.

spokes
07-25-2008, 10:00 AM
perhaps you should just be blunt and tell him how you are feeling - and then leave it to him to fix - after all he is 27 and has barely changed in a decade.

erika36
07-25-2008, 04:04 PM
Hey, Blueyes,

He sounds a little like a few friends I've had in my life. One friend in particular, a friend from childhood, started going down a bad road in our pre-teen years (she had a lot of family problems by the way) and it just escalated the older we got. She ran away from home all the time, got into drugs, got in trouble with the law, got with older abusive men. And because I understood what a tough childhood she had and partially because back then I wouldn't accept that she was a bit of a manipulator, I was always there for her to help her.

You know what happened? She drained my emotional energy and left me unable to concentrate on my own life. And she manipulated and used me any chance she got. If she needed money, she came to me. If she needed a place to stay she came to me. And if she wanted someone to play stupid games with, she came to me. She pulled a lot of BS on me when we were friends that I thought I had to put up with just because we had history together.

Eventually she did something that pissed me off big-time. (I won't go into details, as I've rambled enough already). But I realized then and there that (1) she was never going to change and (2) only she can help herself. I had no choice but to cut her out of my life, but after crap I'd been through with her, I felt completely justified in doing it. It was a major turnaround for me.

Now to you, I would just try to put boundaries on how much energy you spend trying to help this friend, and concentrate on your own life. If he asks you for help, then help him when you can. But remember, only he can change himself, and as unfortunate as it is to watch a good friend's life go down the drain, sometimes it's best to distance ourselves if it's better for our emotional energy. Good luck and if you need to talk, I'm here. :)